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Unconscionable Desecration

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2016-11-02 21:10:17 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Hmm, I suppose that makes sense. I would still think however the temple is still a temple no matter the outward appearance and the inhabitants would be the one desecrating it. Performance art is all well and good as long as it's not dancing in the audience's blood after all. It's the action that makes it horrendous, not the waltz itself.


I'm not saying there's no impact in shooting at the Amarr with an Amarrian ship.

I'm saying you (or I) can use Amarrian stuff to do awful things all the day long and there's only so much offense the Amarr will take.

We're heathens. We don't, and can't fairly be expected to, know any better. The Amarr reserve their sharpest outrage-- and their most ruthless tactics-- for those who should. That's Bloody Omir, that's Mr. Nauplius, but that's not you or me.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2016-11-02 21:57:50 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I hope we'll meet on the frontlines, I am eager to see what you can do in space besides your rants on forum and NeoCom channels.

*coughs*


That's considered bad form on here, for some reason.

I mean, linking kills. Using T1 drones is ALWAYS considered bad form. Tut!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#43 - 2016-11-03 02:13:54 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Merchant Rova wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I hope we'll meet on the frontlines, I am eager to see what you can do in space besides your rants on forum and NeoCom channels.

*coughs*


That's considered bad form on here, for some reason.

I mean, linking kills. Using T1 drones is ALWAYS considered bad form. Tut!

Had to quickly reship after I lost my Purifier, that was a gift from one of our newer members. He wasn't the smartest.
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#44 - 2016-11-03 02:30:43 UTC
No, dammit. Enough!
Kim, Rova, take your pettiness to someplace else. Your self centered, everything must be about me attitude is unbecoming and, frankly, disgusting.

Vollhov: Your bitterness is starting to grate. With regard to the Apostle, I found out the design while it was in progress and gave it my full support. So, go ahead and accuse me of not respecting Empress Jamyl. For the record, the Apostle is very much in line with the Cathedral of the Ascension, and represents her ascension into Paradise, not her death.

I was there. I saw that horrible moment. I see that flash of light with my waking eyes. Her death haunts my dreams. The one fact that consoles me is that she is in Paradise. The Drifters did not defeat Sancta Jamyl; they were only able to kill her.
Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#45 - 2016-11-03 02:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Merchant Rova
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
No, dammit. Enough!
Kim, Rova, take your pettiness to someplace else. Your self centered, everything must be about me attitude is unbecoming and, frankly, disgusting..

Defending a ally from a racist such as Kim? Defending myself when personally insulted by the same person? I'd hardly say that's self centered.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2016-11-03 05:38:51 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
No, dammit. Enough!
Kim, Rova, take your pettiness to someplace else. Your self centered, everything must be about me attitude is unbecoming and, frankly, disgusting..

Defending a ally from a racist such as Kim? Defending myself when personally insulted by the same person? I'd hardly say that's self centered.

Whether you would or not, Mr. Rova, it seems like there must be other things you could talk about here.

Things relating more directly to the topic, maybe?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2016-11-03 07:03:17 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Merchant Rova wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I hope we'll meet on the frontlines, I am eager to see what you can do in space besides your rants on forum and NeoCom channels.

*coughs*


That's considered bad form on here, for some reason.

I mean, linking kills. Using T1 drones is ALWAYS considered bad form. Tut!

Well, bragging is considered a bad form everywhere, Tuulinen-haan. I have invited him to see him in space personally, but his mentality with linking this instead is typical for marginal classes of capsuleer society.

I have removed the link from his reply though, as it is a violation of the rules. It is stated clearly that linking public combat reports here is prohibited.

I don't know whether he didn't knew about the rule or violated it deliberately, but it is one of the reasons why I hate the Federation and gallente culture - they are bringing in their rules to places they don't belong and violate existing rules, considering them "not their rules", either ignoring them or even avoiding even to learn them at all.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Temba Mapindazi
#48 - 2016-11-03 20:20:08 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
After seeing the latest news, I am horrified.

Every ship of the Apostle-class that was launched is a monument to the martyrdom and sacrifice of Empress Jamyl. For the Blood Raiders to desecrate such a shrine is disgusting, even beyond their normal sin and heresy.

They must be destroyed. The ships and the Blood Raiders.

Normally if a shrine is desecrated, it should be cleaned and sanctified again to be restored to its proper use. I did something similar myself with the Cerra Cathedral after the Blood Raiders desecrated it last year. However, in this case it would not be feasible, so I call on every capsuleer to destroy these ships where they are found.
A spaceship is a tool to be wielded by it's pilot's skill set and temperment, it is no more, or no less, a creation of anyone's “God” than an asteroid or a toilet is.

Yes for those of us who believe in a supreme religious deity everything is a creation of “God”, so saying a particular fleet of vessels produced in shipyards by human hands and human designed machines is "God's Creation" is redundant.

Being a specialist “Slaver Slayer” myself I must inform those laboring under a religious hallucination that Amarr hulls are divine relics of destruction for adherents to the slavery cult alone that my favorite Battle cruiser for sending slavery cultists straight to the hell that they have earned is a Harbinger.

“Right from its very appearance on a battlefield, the Harbinger proclaims its status as a massive weapon, a laser burning through the heart of the targets. Everything about it exhibits this focused intent, from the lights on its nose and wings that root out the targets, to the large number of turreted high slots that serve to destroy them. Should any targets be left alive after the Harbinger's initial assault, its drones will take care of them.”

Taken from the description of the hull and the underlined text is replacement words for the foolish religious mumbo jumbo used to market the hull to cultists. It indeed has an alpha strike capability I find effective for minimizing the opportunity for escape pods to be launched. Keep in mind my job as a “Slaver Slayer” is to kill as many of them as humanly possible, not to send them home to reship into space again.

I am pleased that recently most pilots have gained valuable experience and tactical practice in the destruction of the Amarr hulls that the most foolish slavery cultists and their navy fly exclusively. Because of actions of both the “Purists” and the “Blood Raiders” seeing pilots from all four empires smite these hell's spawn slavery cultists has been a preview of what a united effort by the civilized people against the slavers would look like. So whatever your individual motivation might be, keep up the good work. As the saying goes, “All's well that ends well”, kill them all because the slavery cultists are without doubt the biggest desecration to “God,religion, and civilization” in human history.

A combat pilot must have two goals to survive,  #1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!

Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#49 - 2016-11-04 00:32:42 UTC
Well, now we know who the one person who almost always "likes" Matar Ronin's posts is.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#50 - 2016-11-04 00:38:52 UTC
I've liked a decent amount of them, I've also liked a few of Kim's believe it or not. A broken clock is right twice a day. Can't say I fully support everything he says but I'll give him credit where it's due.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#51 - 2016-11-04 00:58:36 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
I've liked a decent amount of them, I've also liked a few of Kim's believe it or not. A broken clock is right twice a day. Can't say I fully support everything he says but I'll give him credit where it's due.

Well-- likewise.

Sometimes he says something insightful, or at least thoughtful. That seems worth encouraging.
Matar Ronin
#52 - 2016-11-04 20:10:49 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
I've liked a decent amount of them, I've also liked a few of Kim's believe it or not. A broken clock is right twice a day. Can't say I fully support everything he says but I'll give him credit where it's due.

Well-- likewise.

Sometimes he says something insightful, or at least thoughtful. That seems worth encouraging.
Thank you both, I find it no surprise that two pilots unafraid to speak their minds and allow the strength of their arguments to win the day for them also can find good points in the views of others. If more people on IGS employed your tactic, to win discussions on merits this would be a far better place.

Then you have the pilots who think snarky unsupported assumptions are the path to intellectual success "Well, now we know who the one person who almost always "likes" Matar Ronin's posts is." they prove that they have not yet gained the ability to understand the difference between facts and opinions, or to differentiate between what might be popular and what is right. I believe all people can learn, so no person/people is/are beyond hope, even pilot kim and the sons and daughters of amarr.

I take comfort in the belief that when I am proven right the New Eden Cluster will be a better place. For those of you whose belief is that evil shall eventually triumph in the New Eden Cluster and the slavery cultists will crush and bend everyone to their will, I will continue to pray for you and destroy all those who are working with you to make your nightmarish view of our collective future a possibility.

I think I will win.

p.s. Pilot Kolodi Ramal;
Pilot Temba Mapindazi is indeed a close friend of mine whose opinion I value greatly, however your snarky remark is quite inaccurate. Pilot Mapindazi is a very infrequent visitor to the IGS forums, he is kept quite busy with his duties either defending against the enemies of liberty and justice in the New Eden Cluster or leading exploration/recon missions deep in "Drifter" dominated Anoikis space.

p.p.s. Pilot Kolodi Ramal;
Including the two Pilots thanked above the diversity of likes my comments solicit keep me confident that many people from all empires can filter through cultural and social bias to focus in on the true essence of a discussion and credit solid points when they are submitted regardless of from whom. When you one day finally achieve this ability you might then choose to contribute far more then simple minded snipes and instead begin to contribute to the learning experience we all benefit from when IGS connects our minds and we share thoughtful exchanges instead of just sniping at each other. I am ever optimistic and confident you one day may have things of merit to contribute, and I will be listening for the day when you find your voice, stand for something positive, and can communicate effectively.

Don't just get mad, get better!

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2016-11-04 20:54:22 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:

I think I will win.

But you have already lost.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#54 - 2016-11-04 20:59:29 UTC
Win, lose, draw, it's all based on your criteria for winning. Also Kolodi frequently says rather worthwhile things. I'd chalk that last comment up to a rare miss by him, or just simply an off the cuff comment. Everyone's guilty of that from time to time.
Matar Ronin
#55 - 2016-11-04 21:56:54 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Win, lose, draw, it's all based on your criteria for winning. Also Kolodi frequently says rather worthwhile things. I'd chalk that last comment up to a rare miss by him, or just simply an off the cuff comment. Everyone's guilty of that from time to time.
If you review the posts by Pilot Kolodi you will see a pattern of him taking cheap and unprovoked shots at me consistently. Now I understand he may see me as an unpopular person and taking shots at me might be his only way to gain likes but I hope he has more to offer.

I have engaged him directly and asked him politely to make his points. He has failed to meet the low bar I set for him. He has made unsolicited comments like "Matar Ronin does not speak for all Minmatar" like anyone does, or that he would be the judge of their ability to do so.

Pilot Kolodi seems to want to engage in a direct and personal argument because on merit and substance he seems unable to win debates. Pilot Kolodi exhibits what is like a personal kinder gentler version of what kim does when resorting to calling people liars and using racist epithets when she loses.

I will continue to go back and review his posts to see if I can determine what he stands for, and if I have unknowingly gored his sacred cow and have earned his unrelenting ire inadvertently. To be honest I hope that is the case because otherwise he is well on the road to just being another anti-abolitionist troll. But the final verdict is not in and this may just be a case of opposing points of view clashing. Yet I don't remember off the top of my head any threads Pilot Kolodi started that I was in opposition to, or for that fact any threads he even started.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#56 - 2016-11-04 22:19:30 UTC
Admittedly I haven't paid exclusive attention to anyone's posts here, if it's noteworthy or someone I support I'll put my .02 isk in. Generally he chimes in with genuine ideas and thoughts that are thought out. To be honest he DOESN'T speak for you, I don't speak for you, and none of us speak or represent all Matari. Everyone of us have our own path to walk, whether it be beside slavers, Blooders, the cartel, or our own kin. He wasn't wrong honestly. Our actions will either be honored or forgotten by those who come after us and it's each individual alone that lives and dies with the legacy of their own making. You don't like the path he takes? Hope he finds the right path when he hits that fork. He isn't attacking you, he is trying to help you find your way, as every hardship is a badge of honor if you don't succumb to it. Hope that clears my thinking on it up...
Matar Ronin
#57 - 2016-11-04 22:28:40 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Admittedly I haven't paid exclusive attention to anyone's posts here, if it's noteworthy or someone I support I'll put my .02 isk in. Generally he chimes in with genuine ideas and thoughts that are thought out. To be honest he DOESN'T speak for you, I don't speak for you, and none of us speak or represent all Matari. Everyone of us have our own path to walk, whether it be beside slavers, Blooders, the cartel, or our own kin. He wasn't wrong honestly. Our actions will either be honored or forgotten by those who come after us and it's each individual alone that lives and dies with the legacy of their own making. You don't like the path he takes? Hope he finds the right path when he hits that fork. He isn't attacking you, he is trying to help you find your way, as every hardship is a badge of honor if you don't succumb to it. Hope that clears my thinking on it up...
I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I try to keep an open channel so I don't miss an opportunity for growth, because accurate facts most always bolster correct positions.

I can see your perspective, and like I said the verdict is not yet in, more fact finding and analysis is required first.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#58 - 2016-11-04 23:03:54 UTC
As it should never be, the verdict I mean.

Also, any time. I'm not trying to steer ya wrong.
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2016-11-04 23:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov Jr
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

Vollhov: Your bitterness is starting to grate. With regard to the Apostle, I found out the design while it was in progress and gave it my full support. So, go ahead and accuse me of not respecting Empress Jamyl. For the record, the Apostle is very much in line with the Cathedral of the Ascension, and represents her ascension into Paradise, not her death.


Are you tired of my bitterness ?
Because your bitterness left you ?
Sooner or later, the fanatics of the Empire forget the sorrow of loss. Since you have a new empress.

Ascension into paradise is one.
But Apostale sealed ones who killed her. According to your good ?

Unfortunately, I like Amarr can not accept the Citadel as a shrine. Citadel is not the work of God !
BUT...
Every time August 21 and September whereof ye unfortunately have forgotten, my friends and I will тribute to the memory about Jamyl Sarum.

I am also dissatisfied with the fact that the Apostle defiled as well as you.
But I'm not happy with what you and your parishioners made it by taking Apostal as memory, not thinking about the consequences.

P.s Any ship can be to desecrate and to use a for evil purposes.
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2016-11-04 23:06:56 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

I was there. I saw that horrible moment. I see that flash of light with my waking eyes. Her death haunts my dreams. The one fact that consoles me is that she is in Paradise. The Drifters did not defeat Sancta Jamyl; they were only able to kill her.


I also want to believe it. But I did not get.
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