Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The idea is to add an additional modifier to both turrets and hulls.

The modifiers are:

Hull Size -

Small
Medium
Large
Capital

and

Weapon Size

Small
Medium
Large
Capital

See Graph for Detailed Stats

This would work to define and refine the roles of the specific ship classes along with their fitted guns.

Lets take the destroyer as an example:

The destroyers role was to deal huge amounts of damage to small ships. It was supposed to be a frig killer. However because of the blanket way in which damage is applied to all ships, it is equally good at dealing damage to a titan as it is dealing damage to a frigate.

The above change would reposition to destroyer to its intended role in the same way that sig radius and tracking prevent the battleship or titan from turning them into uberpwnmobiles vs small ships.

Another substantial benefit of this change would be the inclusion again of largers ships into fleets since a fleet full of cruisers dealing 100,000 dps of on paper damage would deal signficantly less damage to battleships or capitals than a fleet ful of battleships and capitals that also deal 100,000 dps.

Likewise a fleet full of frigates dealing 20,000 dps on paper would deal less damage than a fleet of cruisers doing 20,000 dps on paper vs an enemy fleet composed of cruisers but that same fleet of frigates would deal full damage of 20,000 dps vs a fleet full of destroyers, frigates or inties.

The fleet of Inties would no longer be the meta simply because of maneuverability and bubble immunity, other factors such as hull size and target hull size would need to be considered. The interceptor, designed as an interceptor, tackler and support ship would be partially pushed back into that role.

I think its a very good idea and should be carefully considered.

Please explain why you feel supercapitals need this kind of a buff.

just like every other time this comes up. your "Armor pen" is built into the gun in the form of damage a small blaster does less than a large blaster. At the same time bigger ships tend to have more slots for those bigger guns. You can also put small guns on those big ships and use those extra slots to get more dps than a small ship. take a battle ship, you can fit 8 small blasters and even with the bonuses will wind up doing more DPS than with a frig

This is actually untrue in its entirety.

Small weapons often do more dps to larger ships than larger ships will do to smaller ships. This is the effect of signature radius, signature size of the weapon (which is ludicrously tied to tracking instead of damage, ie the bigger the round vs the size of the ship the worse tracking) and speed of target. In many cases larger weapons will miss 100% of the time.

Number of weapons is irrelevant, the only relevant metric is applied damage.

Small guns on a battleship sounds good and can work on numpty's. However small guns are designed to be fit on frigates and destroyers and as such they require not just dps but speed to be applied.

In a fight between say an astero and a rokh, or a rifter and a rokh applied dps from the rokh fitted with 8 small nuetron blasters out past 5k is about 20dps while inside of 1k its about 500. Given the Rokh has no way of closing range on a rifter or an astero its total dps is going to be about 10dps while the rifter and astero will be full damage.



Completely different mechanic. Just looks similiar.

Not sure where your getting the big stuff kills small stuff real well from? If you look at the calculations penetration rating doesn't go above 100% meaning big stuff kills small stuff exactly the same as it does now.

In terms of undoing the changes that made small ships take signficantly less damage due to sig radius, speed and tracking the changes don't roll those back in any way. All this change does is prevent an intie from doing 100% damage with its tiny little guns to a supercapital despite it being so big while the supercapital does almost no damage to interceptor due to it being so small and fast.

Your argument is something like its fine for a swarm of bee's to kill an elephant but the elephant shouldnt' be able to squash any bee's in the process because they're too small and fast. My argument is yeah sure, but given an elephants skin is so thick you need an elephant gun to get through it, should the bee's really be able to get 100% of their stingers through?

The answer is obviously NO they should not.

To kill a supercapital you should need to at least bring battleships along for the job. If you can't afford them or only want to fly little ships you shouldn't be able to kill supercaps.

While rapid heavys are quite nice they only apply to missile based battleships. The majority of battleships can't fit them or can fit one or two because they're mostly turret based.

In regards to killmails of only frigates against SC that's irrelevent. SC were designed to fight other capitals and battleships. Battleships were designed to kill battleships and cruisers. Cruisers were designed as support ships. Etc Etc. The current meta where you can take 200 cruisers out and expect to easily kill a SC is not how the game was designed. Its a poor substitute for balanced coordinated fleets. It removes all the carefully designed roles and abilities that were put in place for support ships and eliminates large ships from the field.