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What is the current status of high-sec ganking?
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#141 - 2016-11-02 15:31:47 UTC
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.

If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship.

well the mammoth is still decent for ratting loot (of value from 10-15m).

and when i'm just transporting 1-3k cargo valued 10-15m, Wreathe works.


small haulers not useless, they just not as safe to fly.
though i'd prefer my Wreathe over a blockade runner any day in high sec. wreathe can be ignored...but blockade runner is going to have attempts taken on it regardless of it has cargo.(cloak or die)


I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.

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Aatch Bland
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#142 - 2016-11-02 21:58:24 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.

If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship.


The T1 haulers are good for people like me that don't often haul stuff around, but occasionally need to move large things around. Planetary Outposts, frigates and the like are all pretty big items. I don't particularly want to have to train up to a massive freighter, or even a T2 hauler just to be able to carry 1000m3 items around.
Australian Excellence
Gate Tax Collection Agency
CODE.
#143 - 2016-11-03 03:29:56 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.

Yeah, let's make hauling even more carebear than it already is.

I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#144 - 2016-11-03 03:35:20 UTC
Aatch Bland wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.

If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship.


The T1 haulers are good for people like me that don't often haul stuff around, but occasionally need to move large things around. Planetary Outposts, frigates and the like are all pretty big items. I don't particularly want to have to train up to a massive freighter, or even a T2 hauler just to be able to carry 1000m3 items around.

By no means recommending that you do it, but a megathron when fully cargo fit can do over 7000 m3... bit pricier than a T1 hauler though.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2016-11-03 06:39:24 UTC
Australian Excellence wrote:
[quote=Captain Tardbar]
I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.

Yeah, let's make hauling even more carebear than it already is.[quote]
Why not they did a good job making ganking a carebear activity. Just look at the CODE killboards. Carebears one and all. (with exclusion of that 1 lo-sec player)

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#146 - 2016-11-03 07:00:21 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
Why not they did a good job making ganking a carebear activity. Just look at the CODE killboards. Carebears one and all. (with exclusion of that 1 lo-sec player)

Hahahaha, seriously, why are you still crying in all this threads? It's funny to see how you posting changed over the last couple of threads. You started with a whole bag of bad assumptions and wrong arguments which all got picked apart and refuted. But it did not change a thing about your views.

Grown up people adapt their views if contradicting evidence is brought forth, it seams that's not something you are able to do. Instead you just stick around and construct vague prophecies about how EVE will not last another 3 years and start to call us carebears, because that will seriously hurt us right? It is a sad view.

Evil RatKid
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#147 - 2016-11-03 07:19:40 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:
Why not they did a good job making ganking a carebear activity. Just look at the CODE killboards. Carebears one and all. (with exclusion of that 1 lo-sec player)

Hahahaha, seriously, why are you still crying in all this threads? It's funny to see how you posting changed over the last couple of threads. You started with a whole bag of bad assumptions and wrong arguments which all got picked apart and refuted. But it did not change a thing about your views.

Grown up people adapt their views if contradicting evidence is brought forth, it seams that's not something you are able to do. Instead you just stick around and construct vague prophecies about how EVE will not last another 3 years and start to call us carebears, because that will seriously hurt us right? It is a sad view.

Actually someone else pointed out you are carebears and honestly it fits.

Carebear.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2016-11-03 08:03:07 UTC
Australian Excellence wrote:

I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die.

Or you can save the money, buy some warp stabies + cloak and wish "Code" a nice day while they wait for stupid targets or even stupider targets that bought a permit.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#149 - 2016-11-03 08:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
I'm starting to feel like this is a bit of a leading thread. Want to know what ganking is like? Honest to the lords of Kobol... when you get that at least half bil hauler and scoop it's loot... it's like this. Try it. Just let it happen. There's always room for another ganker.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Australian Excellence
Gate Tax Collection Agency
CODE.
#150 - 2016-11-03 09:34:49 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Australian Excellence wrote:

I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die.

Or you can save the money, buy some warp stabies + cloak and wish "Code" a nice day while they wait for stupid targets or even stupider targets that bought a permit.

Keep thinking a couple of warpstabs and a cloak is going to save you lul. CODE. ALWAYS wins.

Message me if you want to buy that permit. Only 10 mil and lasts a whole year, much cheaper than the ships you are going to lose without one.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2016-11-03 12:37:07 UTC
Australian Excellence wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:

I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.

Yeah, let's make hauling even more carebear than it already is.

I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die.


This is excellent advice if you don't want to be ganked.
If you do want to be ganked there are many other alternative suggestions in this thread.
Lasisha Mishi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#152 - 2016-11-03 14:03:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasisha Mishi
Australian Excellence wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:

I've got a feeling that there is a market for a new ship that had somewhat smaller cargo capacity than the current small haulers with a substantial gain in overall tank.

Yeah, let's make hauling even more carebear than it already is.

I don't understand how it is so hard for these carebears to buy a permit and fly Code compliant. It doesn't matter what ship you fly your blingy loot in, if an agent sees it flying non-compliant in James 315's sov space and wants it dead, it will die.

oh jee this again

how about because you change what ships are "allowed" every freaking time "t2 exhumers not allowed." "only skiff allowed" "no ventures allowed" "only t1 miners allowed" "you must mine in a combat ship" "no retrievers in citadel, they only allowed in amarr"

and create a bunch of excuses like "permit only applies in system it was bought in" "permit only applies to person you bought it from" "permit only applies to ship you were in when you bought it"

etc etc etc etc etc etc

theres a laundry list of random crap you use as excuses for gank attempts on people who bought permits.

don't believe me? go ask your own "alliance mates".
cause in the end, you use any excuse to justify a gank attempt.



and as a result, NO ONE trusts you. your the people who people pay the ransom to, only to get killed anyway.


a corp like wingspan is trusted more cause they keep their word. but your just a bunch of random fail-pvpers who use any excuse to kill people who don't have a permit.




and isn't it ironic, that you claim you want to "stop bot miners" and yet you ignore a fleet of 20 bot miners, and go for the only non bot miner, who ironically had bought a permit.
Steffles
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2016-11-03 14:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Steffles
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.

If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship.

well the mammoth is still decent for ratting loot (of value from 10-15m).

and when i'm just transporting 1-3k cargo valued 10-15m, Wreathe works.


small haulers not useless, they just not as safe to fly.
though i'd prefer my Wreathe over a blockade runner any day in high sec. wreathe can be ignored...but blockade runner is going to have attempts taken on it regardless of it has cargo.(cloak or die)

I've used blockade runners since just after they came out. I think I lost one on an alt in Rancer due to can spammage + instalock svipul + Broadsword, other than that I've never had any issues with them in null, wh or high in the last 6 or more years? They are extremely safe, fast a frigate, working cloak + mwd and you will almost always escape badguys.

Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
Lasisha Mishi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#154 - 2016-11-03 14:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasisha Mishi
Steffles wrote:
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
At this point CCP should just delete all small haulers from the game. They are useless.

If I were to haul anything myself worth of value, I'd haul it in a combat ship.

well the mammoth is still decent for ratting loot (of value from 10-15m).

and when i'm just transporting 1-3k cargo valued 10-15m, Wreathe works.


small haulers not useless, they just not as safe to fly.
though i'd prefer my Wreathe over a blockade runner any day in high sec. wreathe can be ignored...but blockade runner is going to have attempts taken on it regardless of it has cargo.(cloak or die)

I've used blockade runners since just after they came out. I think I lost one on an alt in Rancer due to can spammage + instalock svipul + Broadsword, other than that I've never had any issues with them in null, wh or high in the last 6 or more years? They are extremely safe, fast a frigate, working cloak + mwd and you will almost always escape badguys.

oh i know that.

but for high sec travel, wreathe just attracts less attention and so has less people gunning for it (unless your cargo is expensive)

blockade runners attract alot of attention, up until the point you cloak. as people are wondering whats in the cargo hold. and even if its empty, the ship is a gold pot.

so until it cloaks, its the star of the show


edit: why the hell do i keep spelling blockade blockage...........wth...
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2016-11-03 14:19:38 UTC
Australian Excellence wrote:

Keep thinking a couple of warpstabs and a cloak is going to save you lul. CODE. ALWAYS wins.

Message me if you want to buy that permit. Only 10 mil and lasts a whole year, much cheaper than the ships you are going to lose without one.
Until now it got me through Udema without problems. And if I fly like James315 wants, why do I need a permit because I should be save from gankers including you.P
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2016-11-03 14:25:24 UTC
Lasisha Mishi wrote:

blockage runners attract alot of attention, up until the point you cloak. as people are wondering whats in the cargo hold. and even if its empty, the ship is a gold pot.

so until it cloaks, its the star of the show
You can only wonder about things you can see. If you are using a cloak correctly your ship should just blink for a sec in the overview. If they can really see you, you:
1. are doing something very wrong
2. are mostly likely dead in a view seconds

Tip: if you use a skin for something that can wear a covert-op cloak you are doing it wrong. Big smile
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#157 - 2016-11-03 14:32:51 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:


Tip: if you use a skin for something that can wear a covert-op cloak you are doing it wrong. Big smile


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Style is everything! Even under the protection of a good cloak, there's no reason to be frumpy.
So, rock that SKIN. Maybe only you will know you look fabulous, but that's all that really matters, isn't it?

--Fab Gadget knows she looks good under that cloak

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Lasisha Mishi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#158 - 2016-11-03 14:36:02 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Lasisha Mishi wrote:

blockage runners attract alot of attention, up until the point you cloak. as people are wondering whats in the cargo hold. and even if its empty, the ship is a gold pot.

so until it cloaks, its the star of the show
You can only wonder about things you can see. If you are using a cloak correctly your ship should just blink for a sec in the overview. If they can really see you, you:
1. are doing something very wrong
2. are mostly likely dead in a view seconds

Tip: if you use a skin for something that can wear a covert-op cloak you are doing it wrong. Big smile

BUT THE SKIN LOOKS SO GOOD =(
Kaivarian Coste
It Came From Thera
#159 - 2016-11-03 15:54:18 UTC
If you want CODE to stop ganking you, tell them to gank you. It seems counter-intuitive, but I did it in Uedama a week ago in an untanked hauler that had three cerebral accelerators in it. I wanted one of them to activate the kill right on me for 10m. The three cerebral accelerators in my hold would've been enough to make the venture profitable, and they'd get a free killmail.

Their response? "Go to Jita."

Go figure. :p