EVE General Discussion

I'm sure if CCP doesn't come up with walking in stations someone else will. Oh yeah they already have it in Star Citizen....and walking in your ship...

Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous are great competition to Eve that CCP needed 10 years ago.

You should join Goons, they're almost as good at twisting facts and rewriting history as you are. That is not at all what happened.

WiS had been in the works for YEARS and along the way they showed us screenshots and short vids that looked interesting. Then when it was finally released it was NOTHING like they showed us, not an a graphical fidelity level, not on a design language level and not on a usability level. It was bland with terrible lighting and only one room, being useless, while frying our videocards.

But that wasn't even the main problem, we're used to CCP fcking up so nothing new there. However, CCP had pretty much stopped development on EVE for quite a while now and had been using EVE money, resources and dev time to create their new love child World of Darkness. WiS wasn't actually meant to be useful, EVE was just used as a testbed to act as an alpha for WoD. So not only did they use our money for it, they wasted something were we all waiting for for YEARS and mis use it in a "lol get rekt EVE, WoD is the new fad" kind of way.

Then there was the whole micro transactions thing where some clown dev (Zinfandel) decided that micro transactions really wasn't the way to go, macro transactions is where it's at with items costing a fckton of money, because "some people buy $1000 jeans dontyouknow".

On top of all this when we asked about when CCP would finally start to invest time and effort into EVE and bring us some very much needed updates and rebalancing the answer was "well, that's going to take 18 months, deal with it".


The icing on the cake: the "fearless" memo that had been circulating in CCP, from the CEO, where he pretty much stated "let the idiots whine on the forums, we'll keep doing what we're doing so fck them. It might take a few months but in the end they'll shut up and keep giving us money".



So no, it wasn't a bittervet minority somehow stopping WiS. It was CCP fcking up on such a large scale, all at the same time, that the effects of that colossal mess up reverberate to this day. If CCP would make a useful, cool and interactive WiS that wouldn't use development resources from the core game itself we'd love to have it.

As someone who thought Incarna was cool, but definitely understands the no gameplay = no reason argument. My two cents are that CCP has no idea how to handle any of it.

I would be very interested to see CCP make some smaller interactions in EVE. Chess games that could be bet on and that sort of thing.

I would be very interested to see if Valk makes as much money as cosmetic items in Eve.

Its still sailing, although with completely other captain.

I think this explanation could be flipped on its head maybe - the trigger was the golden ammo and such and the Greed is Good memo that was leaked by one of the CCP staff members.

WIS was imo a largely innocent bystander that became collateral damage.

Well at this point WiS for EVE is a lost cause.

Star Citizen already has it so if you want that level of detail just play SC.

This is simply what folks like you WANTED to think. Even back then, some of us were more realistic about what CCP could do with EVE. While the people at fan fest were cheering (fanfest crowds are not a good representation of the EVE community btw, most EVE players don't read forums let alone go to fanfest), I and others were remembering CCPs failed attempt at atmospheric flight and all the other stuff they suggested might be a part of the game at past fanfests but that never materialized.

It's the "immersion" crowd that wants WiS. Not all of us want that level of immersion, some of us are fine with our ships being our avatars. WiS to me would be like taking a game about formula 1 racing and adding the ability to get out of the car and walk around the track or go into the stands of play as the pit crew (whooo so exciting). But some of us don't care anything about any of that, we just want to race cars.

Been saying the above for years, but you just can't get the immersion folks to understand that not everyone is like them. The same people find themselves perplexed at the idea that Star Citizen and other space games are not enticing to some of us. Yay space fighter dogfights and FPS gameplay, things that don't interest me at all. I loved Wing Commander as a kid, I might even play SC with my corpmates if i can get a system that can handle it, I'm sure it will be fun, but I'm not salivating over it, I like being a space submarine captain in Fluid space.

All ofwhich is why i wish they'd hurry the hell up and finish SC, because there are lots of "misplaced SC jocks" playing EVE because they don't think they have any alternative. They get the immersive space dogfighting and FPSing game they crave, and those of us who don't care for that stuff can do our own thing in a game we like. Everyone's happy....


.. yea I know that won't happen, people being how they are we're going to hear about WiS for the next 20 years even after all these other 'competitors' exist as EVE's immersion craving crowd continues to beg for it while ignoring the others games that already have it (like the did with Star Trek Online). Sometimes wishful thinking is relaxing though.

Yea yea,we get it, you don't like EVE and (being the intensely spiteful sort) want it to die so you can laugh at people you don't like..

I think it's insane to play a game you don't like simply out of spite, but people do a lot of insane things in life, if they didn't I wouldn't have an IRL job lol.

As far as content goes, EVe's content is it's people, the spaceships and missions and expeditions etc are just backdrop/eye candy/filler. Which is why I say I'm hopeful about SC, it provides something for people who need a dev created story to enjoy, or 'immersive' game mechanics to have fun.

Not all of us need those things. Apparently that's hard/impoosible for some to grasp

To be fair, EVE isn't a bad game.

I just find the player base worthy of dislike.

And the the people on the forums even more so.

And some of those people like Tippia have left.

I mean I met some great people on EVE that I'm still in contact on a regular basis.

It's just that if I were a billionaire, I'd buy CCP. Fire the developers and delete everyone's account for spite.

It would be the ultimate justice for all the toxic behavior that happens on the forums.

So EVE dying is of interest to me.

But if they are going to let me play for free, I'm pragmatic enough to actually use it to entertain myself.

I just find it amusing that people defend EVEs stagnation when it obviously is facing issues with retention.

To be fair, SC is a dictatorship by Chris Roberts. He basically creates micromanagement hell for his manager who he refuses to listen to them and forced them to do what he wants regardless of its feasible.

So unless he died, he's not going to listen to voices that deviate from his vision.

E:D was the same way and I got fed up with David's vision so I'm not playing that anymore.

And to be fair EVE's vision is by committee so they are wishy washy about the direction the gam will go.

And to be fair people still play Ultima Online on private servers now, but really... Not innovating EVE only results in stagnation.

Those who have voiced for it are only encouraging the decline of the game.

Going F2P is innovation though, but it's a sign that the subscription model isn't sustainable long term.

I'm not arguing that CCP should make WIS. It's too late for that.