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I, for one, have bought a Rorqual for elite solo mining operations and await the dankest ISK to pour into my wallet as I crash the market for minerals into the sea of tears on this thread. *bathes in sea of tears* *sails yacht through sea of tears* *yacht has banner on back saying WHERE IS YOUR RORQUAL PEASANTS*

As a Bombers Bar whaling FC I have been whaling in nullsec for years now. And every single region, not a few ones. I bet my sample space is much broader than your experience, which is probably limited to being in a few alliances.

If your alliance not capable or you own vast spaces with nobody in it then sure, by all means you can't form something in 15 minutes. But some are more vigilant in protecting their space. If you tackle anything in Delve, you will get 20 smartbombing titans on you.

Here we tackle a Wyvern in Cobalt Edge and the first FAX logs in upon the ping lands under 4 minutes (with more to follow): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84FOs7CwXGc

And don't think its just because its a super. People come to aid to their carriers too.

And by all means I don't say there won't be Rorqual losses. Small, unorganized groups with nobody that can help a tackled Rorqual around will lose them.

I say organized people will never lose a Rorqual. For example there will never be a Rorq loss in Delve. But I believe even they are not entitled to %100 safe ratting. Now if PANIC had a shorter duration maybe this would increase the risk of organized groups to the appropriate level. Meanwhile it wouldn't change anything for the unorganized group.

Right now it is like you take a good risk if you are an unorganized by corp mining with a Rorqual, and approx. zero risk if you are an organized corp. I would have loved it to be changed so you at least take SOME risk in an organized corp.

Everyone is scared of a rorqual that can fight back.

These changes are amazing. I look forward to using Rorqual skills for the first time ever. Instead of being a pos ornament, they will not actually generate content, for miners and for pvpers. Great work CCP. They may be a bit OP as shield rep/boost ships atm, but remains to be seen.

These are all very valid points. The only thing I take issue with is I think that even in High Sec you have to fight unwanted fights and defend yourself.

Ok, so I've had a little playtime on SISI with the rorq, and while it's definitely unique and interesting compared to what was done before, the experience was heavily hampered by numerous annoying little details and was overall a difficult experience to play with. It has plenty of potential, and I really am starting to clear away some doubts I had about it before.

It definitely chews through roids pretty well (although the skills were really confusing compared to what the devblog said before). Took about 28-30 minutes to fill the ore gold (without compression) in a regular asteroid belt (-0.2 sec status), this was using lvl III mining drone spec skills and 2 T2 capital mining drone rigs (I giggled a little when I saw this was an option).

. Pretty good, but normal asteroids were often smaller than the mining amount of individual drones, which (when considering 5x drones and the survey scanner doesn't tell you volume) was practically impossible for me to calculate to be of any benefit. Also another REALLY annoying bug/feature was the way drones and asteroids interacted in their displayed states. Whenever a drone would return to drop its load, it show in the drone window as "returning" and its little tag would dissapear from the asteroid. This makes sense, until you have to decide whether or not that asteroid is being mined (recall the over-mining issue) or is in fact a dead asteroid. It doesn't dissapear until the ore is dropped into your hold for some reason. Not a hugely fundamental issue, but it gets really annoying when you have to juggle multiple asteroids of unknown statuses with only 7 targets available (and it's hella annoying when you have to drop all asteroids in order to fend of some rats).

Ice mining was a much easier experience and pretty much similar in comparison to ice mining in a barge. Low input required from the user as compared to the variables of asteroids. However, what was really weird to see, was that the drones spent little to no time actually mining. It was a straight line from ship to iceberg and back again, unlike with ore that took some time. I'd really like to see less mining potential so dependent on drone speed rather than anything else. And for those curious, my fit could get the drones up to 450m/s travel speed, which isn't bad in of itself, but combined with all of the other issues, really makes any attempt to calculate or plan efficiency a fruitless chore.

Also tested the tank in an optimized fit: it's pretty good, but it was a heavily specialized fit so I take that with a grain of salt. Could tank about 3-4 dreads before armor bleeding and PANIC was useful for taking a breather.

As a side note, I'll also say it feels like there is way to much utility competing for space on this ship. Way more than other ships in its field or size. Take a look at how many different modules are 'supposed' to go in the highslots and it really gives an idea of how crazy it is.

Yes we do it for the ISK for sure, and the shear excitement of course... And I'm not complaining about the pirates trying to gank miners. Mining would be really boring if we didn't have to run away and hide from time to time. But industry is where it all starts and needs to be respected. While it may be fun to actually fight back, pop a few pirates and lose some Rorquals, this is no good if the economy collapses as the prices of Ores go into a tailspin due to Muliboxing Rorquals and brave miners earning trillions per month.

If you know null so well you should know one of our dumbfuck members is probably the first to lose a Rorqual (it might even be me, knock on wood).

With the current state of affairs (on SISI) only fairly large (and noticeable) fleets will be capable of taking down a Rorqual (not including hot drops). Any decent Rorq pilot will see them coming 10 jumps away and prepare accordingly. However a lot can happen in the (worst case) 5 minutes it takes for an indy core to wind down. Should the fleet reach the Rorq first and tackle it, a decent fit Rorq will be able to hold out for roughly 2 to 10 minutes before hitting the PANIC button is even needed depending on how hard the fleet is hitting. Lighting a cyno under those circumstances would bring in reinforcements, but would also force the Rorq to stay on the field for another 10 minutes, only 7,5 of which are covered by the PANIC button at most.

Hitting the PANIC button would be the very very very last thing I would do because it doesn't prevent you from being pointed and it prevents you from helping in the defense.

Ultimately I think we'll see plenty of Rorquals die, even in deep 0.0 where reinforcements are on standby.

There is. It's under the command boost changes devblog thread.

Buy them from someone who does that sort of thing. I don't see any carrier pilots complaining about having to build their own fighters, because they don't.