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Dodixie market decline
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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#81 - 2016-10-21 14:36:10 UTC
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
erg cz wrote:
It seems to me, that not only market in gallente high sec space is evaporating, but also industry cost indexes go down...


Is the general public aware of Cost indexes? I mean, is the bulk production of stuff dependent on it?


Aware or not - it does not matter regarding to the thema of the thread. Cost indexes are merely an indicator here...

But on th the other side Capital Doomsday Weapon Mount before the high sec production nerf would cost you almost 1 milion to build in Dodixie and now - 3/4 of that. If you go to Fricoure (was one of the main factories in same region) - now it will cost you only about 200 000... Instaed of far over 400 000 it used to be. You feel the difference? Production is fading in a rapid tempo just few jumps from the high sec market hubs.

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Mr Crowley
Tolerable Risk
Void Chapter Requiem
#82 - 2016-10-24 19:18:29 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Toobo wrote:
It is interesting times indeed. How to make ISK in a shrinking markets with demand falling and people dumping stocks. Some would consider this goos time to buy, but at the same time Alpha toons cannot increae the demand for T2/T3 and highend gears, unless they do go Omega. Player count probably go up with alpha toons but the skill cap is an interesting barrier that limits the impact of population growth in demand for certain product lines.


Id imagine that CCP is not only hoping that alphas are more likely to stick around now that the trial is unlimited, but also are hoping to pull veterans who have moved on back into the game full time. I'm sure many others may sub for a few months before they take a break again. I can see vets subbing up for a month or two at a time just to reinforce their friends if needed, or for an offensive.

This expansion allows vets who are busier in life to stay in contact with the community without paying a sub. That is what i like about it most.



CCP is interested in two things. More subscriptions and more quality gameplay.

With regards to subscriptions they don't care if your plexiglass or buying, so long as it's getting bought.

Quality of gameplay is CCPs biggest fear, because that will impact the subscriptions. Not many new people play this game. That's a huge problem for them. Pretty much everyone is running around in T2 stuff now. I remember when an anointed shield hardner was gold and now you can't hardly sell them cause everyone is in T2. This plays into market concentration also. Ignorant people will buy from wherever.

Anyway my point is that the characters are aged and new people don't seem to stick around to deal with the imbalance of experienced and wealthy vs unskilled and poor. Most of the experienced and rich spend 50% of their game time looking for. Someone to poach, whose easiest to poach?

So CCP can choose to introduce T3 mods and a whole new tier of skills to train for them, further widening the devid, or they can incentivize the hell out of new players coming to play. Obviously they choose the latter. Free to play and an influx of minerals via new content means getting blown up has less impact.
Bentley Goodfriend
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2016-10-25 07:46:20 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
I've just seen a current Market Research Report on Dodixie, and it's the best market I've ever seen. With a proper understanding of T1 production, it's at the moment an absolute isk printing opportunity. I made a third of a tril in Amarr; only out of courtesy do I not personally go here to slaughter it.

Again, the limiting factor is the number of items that can be produced in a day multiplied by their profit. The maximum factor is the daily average volume multiplied by profit, divided by active competitors. The lessor of the two will tell a producer what to build, and what BPOs to research. Every factor is available through CREST. Advanced concepts include managing capital, logistics, and price change strategies.





I agree with this. Every market will present possibilities. For the flexible trader and producer there are obvious opportunities in Dodixie and the greater region. Many segments still need a correction but this is in itself an opportunity.
Zarianna
Lomis Technology
#84 - 2016-10-26 20:43:28 UTC
Bentley Goodfriend wrote:
[quote=SJ Astralana]I've just seen a current Market Research Report on Dodixie, and it's the best market I've ever seen. With a proper understanding of T1 production, it's at the moment an absolute isk printing opportunity. I made a third of a tril in Amarr; only out of courtesy do I not personally go here to slaughter it.

Again, the limiting factor is the number of items that can be produced in a day multiplied by their profit. The maximum factor is the daily average volume multiplied by profit, divided by active competitors. The lessor of the two will tell a producer what to build, and what BPOs to research. Every factor is available through CREST. Advanced concepts include managing capital, logistics, and price change strategies.





Are you using something custom or 'off-the-shelf', so to speak, to make queries to CREST?
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#85 - 2016-10-26 21:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: SJ Astralana
Zarianna wrote:

Are you using something custom or 'off-the-shelf', so to speak, to make queries to CREST?


It's custom, but there's c# sources at https://bitbucket.org/jtdunlop/epm that could could be sliced into something workable. There's a console app that generates the report that could be hard-coded to a market hub. Not an easy job but others have got it running.

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Zarianna
Lomis Technology
#86 - 2016-10-26 22:39:28 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
Zarianna wrote:

Are you using something custom or 'off-the-shelf', so to speak, to make queries to CREST?


It's custom, but there's c# sources at https://bitbucket.org/jtdunlop/epm that could could be sliced into something workable. There's a console app that generates the report that could be hard-coded to a market hub. Not an easy job but others have got it running.


Thanks, I'll take a look!
Korobov Tesla
Templis Arcanium
#87 - 2016-11-02 07:27:18 UTC
The real question is how will the new Alpha clones affect Hubs both player Hubs via Citadels and classical hubs such as Amarr and Dodixie?

I don't screw around much with manufacturing and trade but I was considering starting a manufacturing alt to take advantage of the infux of new players who will inevitable come due to free to play. Unfortunate due to RL I never got around to it.
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#88 - 2016-11-02 08:38:41 UTC
Korobov Tesla wrote:
The real question is how will the new Alpha clones affect Hubs both player Hubs via Citadels and classical hubs such as Amarr and Dodixie?

I don't screw around much with manufacturing and trade but I was considering starting a manufacturing alt to take advantage of the infux of new players who will inevitable come due to free to play. Unfortunate due to RL I never got around to it.


The tax change is still working its way into products with swing markets that are like 3 to 6 months. So, my guess is that the concentration of product availability will increase even more over time.

Alpha's wont add enough mass into the total consumer product basket to change that.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

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Kaivarian Coste
It Came From Thera
#89 - 2016-11-02 14:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaivarian Coste
Korobov Tesla wrote:
The real question is how will the new Alpha clones affect Hubs both player Hubs via Citadels and classical hubs such as Amarr and Dodixie?

I don't screw around much with manufacturing and trade but I was considering starting a manufacturing alt to take advantage of the infux of new players who will inevitable come due to free to play. Unfortunate due to RL I never got around to it.


I remember as a newbie, I didn't care about fitting my ship at trade hubs. All I cared about was finding whatever weapons would fit my ship at the station I had docked to run missions. (For a long time, I actually thought Oursalert was the "capital" system of Eve since there was so many agents there. Anything I needed, I'd just search locally).

With Alpha newbies, they'll probably stay away from Jita and stick to their mission hubs (at least until they know better). Systems with alot of lvl 1-3 agents will probably be your best bet.
motie one
Secret Passage
#90 - 2016-11-04 22:34:35 UTC
Kaivarian Coste wrote:
Korobov Tesla wrote:
The real question is how will the new Alpha clones affect Hubs both player Hubs via Citadels and classical hubs such as Amarr and Dodixie?

I don't screw around much with manufacturing and trade but I was considering starting a manufacturing alt to take advantage of the infux of new players who will inevitable come due to free to play. Unfortunate due to RL I never got around to it.


I remember as a newbie, I didn't care about fitting my ship at trade hubs. All I cared about was finding whatever weapons would fit my ship at the station I had docked to run missions. (For a long time, I actually thought Oursalert was the "capital" system of Eve since there was so many agents there. Anything I needed, I'd just search locally).

With Alpha newbies, they'll probably stay away from Jita and stick to their mission hubs (at least until they know better). Systems with alot of lvl 1-3 agents will probably be your best bet.



You have a very good point, this may significantly change the trade hubs we are familiar with. They may move to entirely different locations.
Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2017-01-04 01:59:15 UTC
Ah these citadels really messing with hubs eh? On my trading/indy alt, I actually just unchecked jump 0 0 setting and saw way more competitive pricing on buy orders around Dodixie... holy crap the game took a big turn after 4 years of haitus.

Which brings the question of do we get more competitors in t2 production because botane- dixie research and production point blank hub? Your thoughts?
Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2017-01-04 02:00:17 UTC
when exactly this hub shift started?
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2017-01-04 08:18:13 UTC
Citadel patch, the broker fee change and the market fortizars.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Kousaka Otsu Shigure
#94 - 2017-01-04 16:33:41 UTC
I've been forming a market plan these past few weeks and even before that, reading all kinda stuff about the happenings in eve (was unsubscribed and waiting for alpha clones, immediately subbed anyway after Ascension).

Anyway, in a string of incidents that has been happening in hisec and null, I am guessing the changes in the nullsec regions in the north has been affecting the northern hubs, or the regions connected to it.

- Been seeing goons down at Amarr these past few weeks
- Pandemic Horde attack on Perimeter uh.. this week
- Listed items related to mining (rorqual changes), drone ai prices, etc.
- WWB and Tribute war changes of the regions north
- I was looking at region maps in dotlan and just realized that moee8 was connected to lonetrek-jita (so that's why they needed it..)
- Ammo, certain rigs and blueprint copies.. specially blueprint copies. There was once a healthy market around some then.. poof.
- Rumblings about the coming Economic Report, particularly mining

Of course, it might be just burnt out players or the holidays.. etc.

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Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#95 - 2017-01-04 23:09:20 UTC
Kousaka Otsu Shigure wrote:
I've been forming a market plan these past few weeks and even before that, reading all kinda stuff about the happenings in eve (was unsubscribed and waiting for alpha clones, immediately subbed anyway after Ascension).

Anyway, in a string of incidents that has been happening in hisec and null, I am guessing the changes in the nullsec regions in the north has been affecting the northern hubs, or the regions connected to it.

- Been seeing goons down at Amarr these past few weeks
- Pandemic Horde attack on Perimeter uh.. this week
- Listed items related to mining (rorqual changes), drone ai prices, etc.
- WWB and Tribute war changes of the regions north
- I was looking at region maps in dotlan and just realized that moee8 was connected to lonetrek-jita (so that's why they needed it..)
- Ammo, certain rigs and blueprint copies.. specially blueprint copies. There was once a healthy market around some then.. poof.
- Rumblings about the coming Economic Report, particularly mining

Of course, it might be just burnt out players or the holidays.. etc.



Why certain BPCs market went bad?