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Our bad experience...

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Krunulae Crow
Delicate Eligant and Fragile Co.
Sister Wing - Army of Bunnies
#1 - 2016-11-01 02:29:54 UTC
Me and my bff are co-leaders in a 100+ player clan collection in LoL. We tried to play this game on 21 day trials for the first time, as research to migrate to a new game as LoL is getting old for just about everyone. We originally performed research on the game for one month. We setup a primitive business plan to form seventeen corporations with all of our members. I mostly used my bff account because they gave up early on but were higher in training and money than me.


There are three problems with this game:

#1: The game has no tutorials to guide the new player in any direction - even veterans we talked to said the career agents were tutorials but we got lost for days in them and did not learn anything new from them, besides the fact that this game is complex. While sometimes there were people in rookie help to help (like Mike and Seargent), that is ridiculous that a game is so hard to learn that other players have to waste their own time to show people how to play!

#2: The only people supporting this game recommended both of us to quit constantly. For example, If you check the top bounty hunters (if you can figure out how to), all of them say to quit the game in their biography. Even a hacker who called themselves a GM (which I guess is from a high corporation or something lol) tried to answer some questions and said something like "I'm here to see how you like the game" but they were not interested when we tried to chat with them and they just left in the middle of our frustration with a response like "too bad for you I g2g, cya", basically it felt like they were like, "yup. more people who are obviously going to quit like they should, why bother swaying their opinion"

#3: There is nothing really fun to do within the game: almost everything that we learned that looked fun was so risky that everybody who came by told us we were idiots. Both of us never died even once, but we saw over 100 people who did and we have no idea why. One time while in a 0.9 place, 11 red people came and tried to blow me up while i was in my hauler ship called the mammoth but I was already warping and when I went back there was wrecks of only a couple ships, so I almost died but I didn't. Even though we never died the risk is stupid high! Everyone who we asked to join our corporation said very reasonable excuses like, "no, for sure will your company will go to war, I have been playing for 10+ years", that is just stupid.


Wow luckily we were able to use the trial and collect footage showing our members why not to play! We would have been getting blown up all the time so we are really happy we used the trial to find that this game has nothing for any of us and we will be posting all of our recorded hours of play as fairly solid evidence of the three reasons written above to anyone who would like a 21 day trial summary in 20 hours of video.

Anyway I hope that our research will help other new players avoid wasting their time with this "game" ☺
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#2 - 2016-11-01 02:37:21 UTC
You know, posting so that we can help you improve your experience is one thing. Posting to just complain because you didn't make the effort to get help (this is a help forum) makes me just want to recommend this thread for a lock. Really, you should ask for help here and at least try to implement the replies before ragequitting.

In other words you failed at your research, and therefore your conclusions are not valid.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Krunulae Crow
Delicate Eligant and Fragile Co.
Sister Wing - Army of Bunnies
#3 - 2016-11-01 02:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Krunulae Crow
Iria Ahrens wrote:
You know, posting so that we can help you improve your experience is one thing. Posting to just complain because you didn't make the effort to get help (this is a help forum) makes me just want to recommend this thread for a lock. Really, you should ask for help here and at least try to implement the replies before ragequitting.

In other words you failed at your research, and therefore your conclusions are not valid.


The post is 100% fact, there is no "ragequitting" or "invalid conclusions", thank you for your opinions though :)

Also: if you could point me in the right direction, I will move the post (if possible)
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#4 - 2016-11-01 02:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Krunulae Crow wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
You know, posting so that we can help you improve your experience is one thing. Posting to just complain because you didn't make the effort to get help (this is a help forum) makes me just want to recommend this thread for a lock. Really, you should ask for help here and at least try to implement the replies before ragequitting.

In other words you failed at your research, and therefore your conclusions are not valid.


The post is 100% fact, there is no "ragequitting" or "invalid conclusions", thank you for your opinions though :)


Are you going to stick around so I can address your post then. I'd love to help you guys, but if you're just drive-by-posting then I can't help you.

Your experience being 100% fact doesn't make the conclusions drawn from them true. You are looking through a fish-eye lens. And yes, making a "don't play eve and here's why" post and then quitting, is called rage quitting.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Krunulae Crow
Delicate Eligant and Fragile Co.
Sister Wing - Army of Bunnies
#5 - 2016-11-01 02:43:33 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Krunulae Crow wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
You know, posting so that we can help you improve your experience is one thing. Posting to just complain because you didn't make the effort to get help (this is a help forum) makes me just want to recommend this thread for a lock. Really, you should ask for help here and at least try to implement the replies before ragequitting.

In other words you failed at your research, and therefore your conclusions are not valid.


The post is 100% fact, there is no "ragequitting" or "invalid conclusions", thank you for your opinions though :)


Are you going to stick around so I can address your post then. I'd love to help you guys, but if you're just drive-by-posting then I can't help you.


Also: if you could point me in the right direction, I will move the post (if possible)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2016-11-01 02:44:50 UTC
fyi the new player experiance is getting a massive overhaul in like a week or two
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#7 - 2016-11-01 02:47:34 UTC
Krunulae Crow wrote:

Also: if you could point me in the right direction, I will move the post (if possible)


If you are on trial, then this is the only forum you can post to.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Krunulae Crow
Delicate Eligant and Fragile Co.
Sister Wing - Army of Bunnies
#8 - 2016-11-01 02:48:40 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
fyi the new player experience is getting a massive overhaul in like a week or two


[bad game] + [put anything here (including new player experience)] = [bad game]
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2016-11-01 02:52:00 UTC
Krunulae Crow wrote:

The post is 100% fact, there is no "ragequitting" or "invalid conclusions", thank you for your opinions though :)


no im pretty sure its an opinion, heavily biased by your previous experiences with other mmo's and associated expectations.

WE are the content here, the community, the players.
thats what eve is about,
if you never got your head around that then yeah, "invalid conclusions" covers it pretty concisely.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2016-11-01 02:53:32 UTC
Krunulae Crow wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
fyi the new player experience is getting a massive overhaul in like a week or two


[bad game] + [put anything here (including new player experience)] = [bad game]

been going longer than wow love
Krunulae Crow
Delicate Eligant and Fragile Co.
Sister Wing - Army of Bunnies
#11 - 2016-11-01 02:57:14 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Krunulae Crow wrote:

Also: if you could point me in the right direction, I will move the post (if possible)


If you are on trial, then this is the only forum you can post to.


I just wanted to put up a warning for other new players, that was the purpose of the post, nothing more, nothing less. Since the post contains only facts, I did not think it would be a problem.

I am on a trial still, so if a forum mod can move it then thats okay, as long as its where potential players go ☺

also @Ralph King-Griffin, eve has been continually dying for the past several years, see these (more factual information):

http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2011/eve-players-2011.png

http://jestertrek.com/eve/players/eve-players-2015.png
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#12 - 2016-11-01 02:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Krunulae Crow wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
fyi the new player experience is getting a massive overhaul in like a week or two


[bad game] + [put anything here (including new player experience)] = [bad game]


Ok, I wanted to wait for some response like this before I decided to detail the OP on how to have a better Eve experience. But a reply like that pretty much says it all. It doesn't matter what we say, you made up your mind already and nothing will change it.

Next time, you decide to try a game, try getting help on the help forums before forming any conclusions.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2016-11-01 03:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Krunulae Crow wrote:

also @Ralph King-Griffin, eve has been continually dying for the past several years, see these (more factual information):

http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2011/eve-players-2011.png

http://jestertrek.com/eve/players/eve-players-2015.png

http://i.imgur.com/LtCk4fY.jpg
also, Inspector teg has been a laughing stock for some time now
Krunulae Crow
Delicate Eligant and Fragile Co.
Sister Wing - Army of Bunnies
#14 - 2016-11-01 03:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Krunulae Crow
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Krunulae Crow wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
fyi the new player experience is getting a massive overhaul in like a week or two


[bad game] + [put anything here (including new player experience)] = [bad game]


Ok, I wanted to wait for some response like this before I decided to detail the OP on how to have a better Eve experience. But a reply like that pretty much says it all. It doesn't matter what we say, you made up your mind already and nothing will change it.


The factual footage made up the minds of others who agreed with us. I like though, how you think you can change facts, very interesting approach to a problem, reminds me of Spock.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#15 - 2016-11-01 03:05:54 UTC
Krunulae Crow wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Krunulae Crow wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
fyi the new player experience is getting a massive overhaul in like a week or two


[bad game] + [put anything here (including new player experience)] = [bad game]


Ok, I wanted to wait for some response like this before I decided to detail the OP on how to have a better Eve experience. But a reply like that pretty much says it all. It doesn't matter what we say, you made up your mind already and nothing will change it.


The factual footage made up others who agreed with us. I like though, how you think you can change facts, very interesting approach to a problem, reminds me of Spock.


I don't claim to change facts. I claim the ability to enable you to properly understand the relevance of those facts. You saw over 100 die and have no idea why. I know exactly why. I can explain a lot of your OP that you don't know, but...

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Krunulae Crow
Delicate Eligant and Fragile Co.
Sister Wing - Army of Bunnies
#16 - 2016-11-01 03:07:23 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Krunulae Crow wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Krunulae Crow wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
fyi the new player experience is getting a massive overhaul in like a week or two


[bad game] + [put anything here (including new player experience)] = [bad game]


Ok, I wanted to wait for some response like this before I decided to detail the OP on how to have a better Eve experience. But a reply like that pretty much says it all. It doesn't matter what we say, you made up your mind already and nothing will change it.


The factual footage made up others who agreed with us. I like though, how you think you can change facts, very interesting approach to a problem, reminds me of Spock.


I don't claim to change facts. I claim the ability to enable you to properly understand the relevance of those facts. You saw over 100 die and have no idea why. I know exactly why. I can explain a lot of your OP that you don't know, but...



So why did they die and what were their names, I will verify via the footage to see how valid your statements are.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#17 - 2016-11-01 03:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Krunulae Crow wrote:


So why did they die and what were their names, I will verify via the footage to see how valid your statements are.


I didn't say I knew their names.

You said "One time while in a 0.9 place, 11 red people came and tried to blow me up while i was in my hauler ship called the mammoth but I was already warping and when I went back there was wrecks of only a couple ships, so I almost died but I didn't."

If someone attacks you in HS, their ship WILL be blown up. There is no way around this. Sometimes you will arrive at a gate with hundreds of wrecks. This is known affectionately as a Concordokken. Any time a ship agresses illegally, concord will blow their ship up. This doesn't just include shooting players illegally, it can involve hitting neutral structures. Using a smart bomb or ECM Burst in HS can be ok, until you hit a neutral structure, then you find yourself in a pod and wondering why.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Krunulae Crow
Delicate Eligant and Fragile Co.
Sister Wing - Army of Bunnies
#18 - 2016-11-01 03:22:20 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Krunulae Crow wrote:


So why did they die and what were their names, I will verify via the footage to see how valid your statements are.


I didn't say I knew their names.

You said "One time while in a 0.9 place, 11 red people came and tried to blow me up while i was in my hauler ship called the mammoth but I was already warping and when I went back there was wrecks of only a couple ships, so I almost died but I didn't."

If someone attacks you in HS, their ship WILL be blown up. There is no way around this. Sometimes you will arrive at a gate with hundreds of wrecks. This is known affectionately as a Concordokken. Any time a ship agresses illegally, concord will blow their ship up. This doesn't just include shooting players illegally, it can involve hitting neutral structures. Using a smart bomb or ECM Burst in HS can be ok, until you hit a neutral structure, then you find yourself in a pod and wondering why.


Oh I am sorry, I thought you said:

"You saw over 100 die [...] I know exactly why. ", I guess I was mistaken on what you said. I still wonder why all those people were blown up, also 52 of them are documented in 1.0 or 0.9 areas, there are more but they could not be identified in the video as a person or something else. If you somehow know about these 52 please explain.


also @Ralph King-Griffon:

WoW (which I have never played even a trial) > Eve Online

https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=eve%20online,world%20of%20warcraft
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#19 - 2016-11-01 03:26:10 UTC
I'm starting to see why people told you to quit.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Krunulae Crow
Delicate Eligant and Fragile Co.
Sister Wing - Army of Bunnies
#20 - 2016-11-01 03:27:46 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
I'm starting to see why people told you to quit.


I have no idea what this message is referring to.
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