EVE General Discussion

The max damage they can put out of a catalyst is not enough to kill a Covertor or a Retriever even in 0.5.

So what specifically motivated you to go from -6.2 all the was to 5?

Actually it says:
"YOUR ACCOUNT

You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account, at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for the Software each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose."


So you could have 1000 eve alpha accounts as long as you only play them one at a time.

Um, this is incorrect. How would that even work? I have say three accounts, and I take a break from the game. I come back six months later and log in on one account as an alpha to see what my friends are up to and now suddenly I am in violation of the EULA?

If you read the new EULA, the sentence regarding multiple accounts was changed to read:



So you can have as many accounts as you wish, alpha or omega. However, you can only log in multiple accounts if you are paying the subscription fee for each of the accounts that you log in, that is they are all in the omega state.

Having multiple alpha accounts that you log into one at a time is completely kosher with the EULA. You are not limited to only one alpha account.

But yes, that means that ganking alts, and all the rest of the potential abuses of free access to unlimited concurrent alts, is not going to happen and if you try you are in violation of the EULA.

A few punctuation marks wouldn't have gone amiss! ;)

It happens. I wouldn't worry about it.

The carebear in me (um, rawr?). I was at -6.2 when I was in a lowsec pirate corporation in Gallente faction warfare but lowsec pvp wasn't my cup of tea. I tagged myself back to 0.0 and then went mission running and doing highsec stuff until I found out about highsec wardecs, which I fell in love with. So I ran around doing solo (yes, by myself) highsec wardecs for a while until #killthewatchlist happened.

Had to retire and then hunted MTUs for a while, 'terrorizing' just one system with like 40 MTU kills (carebear mission runners, gotta love them) until I got bored of that...and them wising up and getting their MTUs when I log on into the system. Now I just run L4 missions cause reasons.

Back to the gank though, I spent 4.5m on a gank Atron to kill a newbie Venture less than 300k isk, piloted by a guy only playing his second day of Eve Online. So, was that a fail?

Nope, the guy was smart and quick enough to warp his pod out, he took the gank very well but didn't know what happened so we got to talking and I actually made a friend. He actually asked why he wasn't protected since he was a new player, so I spent over an hour in private convo with him explaining why and how he could protect himself. We do plan on talking more so he can learn. I even gave him 20m isk to get him started and we are going to talk about Venture fittings our next convo.

P.S. Today is my birthday, send me isk.

Thank you for that I was wondering if it had anything to do with ganking and piracy but I can see the need when changing styles of play

1.) Freighters, Jump Freighters, as everybody keeps harping on about that:

So, it would take at the very least 58 alpha pilots who properly fit their catalysts, properly trained their skills and properly execute the gank to kill one properly fit obelisk flown by one properly skilled omega pilot. Now assume in this highly unlikely perfect scenario the freighter has 2B worth of cargo, and the loot fairy splits the loot in half perfectly, then everyone in the fleet can go home with 15M. A pretty measly reward for a perfectly organized and executed operation, I say.

Realistically, it would also take a bunch more Catalysts, a few more Omega pilots who know their **** to bump the freighter, and another one risking a freighter to pick up the spoils. So that's 60-70 Alphas, who will all lose their ships, a handful of Omegas in expensive battleships and an Omega risking a Freigher against one single Omega, risking a Freighter. If you think that is unfair to the victim, I do not know what to tell you anymore.

Now, throw a second pilot who knows what he's doing into the mix on the side of the Obelix. Say he's flying a Huginn to web the freighter into warp. That alone makes it much harder to even catch it. So a 70 or so vs. 1 turns into a 70 vs. 2, and all of a sudden the deck is stacked much more in favor of the freighter. Grab a Nomad Implant set to improve even further. You could probably also throw in a counter-bumper who knows what he's doing to disrupt the bumpers and bump the freighter into warp if bumpers show up, and it would be highly unlikely that the gank will happen. Yes, that means effort, but it's still only a fraction of what the gankers bring to the table.

Now, I know - properly tanked and properly flown freighters with proper webbing support are indeed as rare as "a hens teeth". But is that the games fault? Or the gankers? No, it's the freighter pilots fault alone. The gankers know what they need to do, and they do it. They properly fit for the task, they gather their friends, they train to do it, and they execute it properly. Why should freighter pilots not be required to do any of that to be successful when everyone else is?

2.) Covetors, Hulks, Retrievers, Mackinaws:

Yes, it takes 1-3 T2 fit destroyers to kill a Hulk in Hisec, depending on the tank and sec status. However - what do you get for that? A couple of Strip Miner IIs, a few MLU IIs and maybe a couple of T2 shield Hardeners. Hardly a reward, considering the cost of a T2 gank Catalyst. But what about 150M meta MLUs, you ask? Well, **** - if you know you will get ganked, don't fit them you greedy bastard! Actually, Don't fly Hulks and Macks at all in Highsec, because these ships aren't very well suited for this area of space.

3.) Procurers; Skiffs

T2 fit them, tank them, and it will always be a loss for the Ganker, unless you carry around PLEX in the cargohold.

4.) T1 Haulers:

MWD-Cloak-Trick. Nuff said.

5.) Deep Space Transports:

MWD-Cloak-Trick. Nuff said.

6.) Blockade Runners: If you get ganked in those, you probably don't know yourself why you are using them.

7.) Papertanked blingy ISK/h Mission Ships: Be aligned, refit for traveling. People do that all the time in Nullsec, learn to do it in Highsec as well.


The bottom line is - Gankers train their characters to do specifically what they want to do (gank stuff), they use the perfect ships for the purpose (ganking), they get friends to help them, they organize fleets, and by doing this every day, they perfect their playstyle.

The victims on the other hand do not. They do often times not properly train their Navigation and Tanking Skills, they do not properly fit their ships to do what they claim to want it to do (survive), they do not bring friends and they do not learn how to defend against gankers. The only thing many of them deem important is how much Ore they can guzzle up on their own and how much ISK they can haul in one run, completely disregarding the fact that this is a multiplayer game and others may want a piece of their cake as well.

So, don't you think that one person who refuses to do what's necessary should in the end lose to a whole fleet of people who do exactly that and with a high level of expertise as well? There is another design philosophy to Eve besides Risk vs. Reward, and that is specialization. If a group of players specializes in ganking, they will eventually be successful at that (most of the time). If a group specializes in surviving/avoiding ganks, they will be successful at that (most of the time). If you specialize in getting max ISK per run, you will be successful at that, but you cannot expect to survive a properly executed gank.

I think CCP refuses to make Alphas recognizable at first glance because last thing they want is omega bourgeoisie complaining that they were blown up for giggles by bunch of alpha peasants. Doesnt really matter if they are ganked or caught in low sec or in null sec.