EVE General Discussion

Did i read "Autopilot"

This is an age old argument it seems - game design of Eve Online. Well, theoretically they have a good balance. There's at least four different zones, arguably a fifth to the sandbox in highsec, lowsec, wormhole, sovereign null / NPC null. There's consequences to each of them.

I don't think highsec should be completely safe unless you removed any and all reasons you live there. You can casually run up to level 5 DED sites in Angel regions in almost relative safety. Outside of clever thwarts of CONCORD mechanics, site thieves and wardecs, highsec is nothing less than an awkward inbetween of what 'Eve really should be' and a 100% safe zone.

If it were up to me, I'd gut highsec so hard you would have to play in the deeper water; but there's a reason like 70-80% of subscribers call highsec home. Talk about imbalanced. And CCP has bills to pay so it's best to maybe leave it like it is. Wars, ganks, etc create the demand for the items you are making and all that.

My solution is totally facetious by the way. Just have to learn to adapt yourself.

CCP's financial statements are a matter of public record (if you understand the language), after review the consensus is is pretty much that CCP peaked its revenue back in 2013 and its been on the decline sense then. however CCP has shown increases in net profit despite the loss of revenue. CCP may be losing players but they know how to balance a budget, now if only they could balance the game.

I'm a casual too and a lowbear


Dunno if your are serious, but if some bears act like naive 4 yo they got what they deserve.


I play solo in lowsec, lost two ship 600+ days ago, and it has never been a problem in my daily activities, it's part of the fun of the cat and mouse game, HS is boring enough.


The only change in HS is to supress the magical Concord (teleport / invuln), make it normal, costly for the player who want it, and can be tanked by gankers.
The second solution is to remove it completely.


No ******* nope, don't touch other sec spaces please.


Mining matter, you just must be aware and at the computer, no autopilot, no AFK.

Ah ok. I agree, though to be fair to Mark, he did say Eve has 3 years tops. Not CCP itself.

Ah, so you've dug up this dead horse again. Playing solo? Do your homework if you are trvaleing. Stop dying and saying it's someone else's fault. It is indeed a sandbox. It has enough sand that you should be, could be, maybe one day will be, able to learn how not to die. You'll also learn that most,deaths have been brought on by the pilot. This "idea" isn't adding complexity. It's asking to add a free pass to people who don't want to play andbuse their potential or figure things out. Also, stop dying.

UGH. So many people in this thread have echo-chambered themselves away from reality.
EVERYTHING about hisec is designed to kick you out.
EVERY PVE activity makes you PVP content.
Mining and exploration are paltry, you get competent, you look further afield.
Fighting is constrained and costly, aggro is a baffling ordeal and a comedy of errors.
Missions make you KOS with half of hisec within a year or so.
Market pvp is possible mainly because every idiot wants to live and farm within ten jumps of Jita.
NPC null mission hubs are meant to be supported by player owned market hubs.

Stop talking about safety like it's even a thing, hisec (the rookie pond) has been made shallower, SOE explo ships, ninja mining ships, wackily OP PVP ships have all been introduced and still, people cling to hisec like bionic ticks.

When a bird hatches it doesn't patch the eggshell and add a small verandah. It breaks it and departs.

Make it more appealing to women. I think trying to do this would make the game better for everyone.

Ah the old "they better listen to what I have to say, otherwise it'll be dead" routine. Generally coupled with lots of vague statements and used by people who are powerless but want to feel powerful.

EVE will be fine, the reason EVE will be fine is because it has no competition and will not have competition for a looooooong time, especially so because it seems Seagul understands what EVE actually IS, unlike many other people. "But what about Star Citizen., surely it'll crush it" I hear you say, simple... it's not competition. The mistake a lot of people make is that they think EVE is a spaceship MMO and then they look at upcoming other titles in that genre and go "oooh look at that hype, surely this time the hype will be true".

But EVE isn't a spaceship MMO, it's not even a spaceship MMO with PVP in it. It is in fact a cut throat, dog eat dog, balls deep open world PVP MMO drama generator... that happens to have a space ship setting. That is something entirely different and as there are no other true open world PVP MMOs planned EVE has no competition. EVE will of course lose customers to things like SC but that is not a bad thing because it allows CCP to refocus on the PVP world bit instead of somehow trying to please two play styles, which can't be done.


It's somewhat understandable that people think they're playing a spaceship MMO, here's a few reasons:

1) most people simply aren't used to an open sandbox pvp game because there's just not many of those so they don't recognise it as such and won't know what to expect

2) most people don't do any actual research into what they're going to do or play because effort is for boring people, so if they didn't expect it and didn't read up on it properly they're not going to know

3) CCP has for years been trying to market this game as a more mainstream generic MMO, which it simply isn't. Doesn't mean they lied but they've tried to make it more palatable to the generic customer and in many ways they have succeeded, mostly by dumbing down the game and making everyone be "special". But the core of the game is still there and and people are going to run in to that which results in people throwing their toys of of the pram and make rage quit posts filled with vague threats about doom and impending disaster.


Coupled with continuous denial, in spite of the obvious facts, people simply don't realise that they're playing the wrong game. They do realise the game isn't what they hoped for and thus want it changed but they refuse to accept that they are playing the wrong game. So to all people who don't like this open world pvp sandbox where no one is safe: Feel free to leave, your threats about "if we leave the game shuts down" is hollow and simply not true. In fact you'll only make the game stronger and more focussed by leaving.

Now just what the hek do you mean by that?