EVE General Discussion

And given your expertise in 2 character ganking, how many will it take to kill a hulk? Given the last hulk killed by your group took 7342 in damage before it was dust?

Edit: I also have a question as to the negative effects of being -10. I know you are, subsequently what are the down sides?

I am not sure how this turned into a "grr CODE" flame but it was expected.

Honestly I admire CODE and how they operate due to the numerous massive nerfs laid against them time and time again, only for them to overcome it with adapting tactics to keep being successful. When it comes to CODE, you do have defenses against them but carebears/miners are too lazy to follow them, preferring for CCP to continues with the almighty nerfbat of DOOM. But CODE continue to always win though...

I believe that alphas should have access to everything Eve has to offer so they can see if this game if for them. Not allowing them to gank is limiting them in gameplay, and they are already severely limited to start with. But realize someone in this game will find another way to use an alpha that CCP did not anticipate, so be weary.

Are veteran players going to make alphas? Oh hell yeah. I will not because I don't plan on using them. I have my Omega and I am good with that. Honestly I do not think that most alphas you see will be new players, but veterans using them for other reasons that their main cannot do or maybe for added support to their main's profession. Living in the western USA, I don't see any advertisement out there for Eve Online. I did manage to bring in a co-worker last year and he just renewed his account for another year, so I guess that is a win on my part for CCP.

And in closing, if a new player gets ganked and uninstalls the game, I didn't want them here in the first place.

It is amusing how you always come to the forums and share your opinion how CCP may save their game yet you have not a single clue how it works.

- You don't know how to calculate the damage for ganking
- You don't know how killboards work because you think it only took 7342 damage (Killboards do not show EHP)
- You don't even know what sec status does.

Here is a link to Pyfa: https://github.com/pyfa-org/Pyfa

Try to work it out yourself and report back how easy it was and how many gank characters it needs. Maybe you will actually learn something about the game this way

An anti-ganker being completely ignorant of the mechanics involved in ganking? Shocker...

Unfortunately that's all some people are able to focus on.

No I believe that the lack of penalties for a negative sec status are a problem due to the lack of balance and the same goes for destroyers.

While you believe in keeping the imbalances as they work in your favour, no matter what. As I said you add little to any discussion, being your only concern is yourself.

In relation to alphas I think they will cause large problems, even though their DPS will be just over half what is mostly used now for ganking. The primary problem will not come from the new players but from the older EvE players who can reek havoc for free and throw the account away when they are finished having fun. Given the low cost of destroyers mixed with free accounts a large number of industrials, frigates, ventures etc.. are going to go boom and all for no net benefit to the game.

Do I think CCP is right to let them start with the ability to gank. Yes actually, if for no other reason than seeing whats the worst that can happen.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA....um....no.

There is a reason they implemented sec status tags. These tags are Not Cheap, because they are not Easy To Get.

But go -10 and rat back to 0.0 in a week. Prove me wrong.

125M is the absolute minimum cost for a tank fit freighter, and this assumes that you can get 58 gank toons that have perfect gunnery skills, and again this doesn't count partial volleys, volleys lost to faction police jams, and just general overkill to ensure the target dies. Most of the recent freighter ganks I see on zkillboard use a heathy number of Taloses or bombers, the former when T2 fit probably costs as much as the entire catalyst fleet. The accepted threshold of gankability is generally accepted to be around 1bil, but you can probably carry more if you use a scout/webber.

While people will use alphas to gank, Concord response times, and the alpha state restrictions on skills and ships, means that they'd have to hunt in large groups to kill big stuff, which should in effect keep much of their prey smaller unless they work hard for it.

I don't think we'll see CODE. or MiniLuv use them to a great extent for the same reason, numbers; their low SP members do use T1 cats, as would an alpha clone, but they're training into T2 cats because they're a damn sight better at the task.

You won't. If I have learned anything about most Eve players they are both lazy and fixated on ISK so they are not going to spend effort to train gank alts shoot miners in highsec for no reward. There is literally no point to it in isolation, and if they do for some real reason want to shoot things in highsec, an Omega clone is way better at it than an Alpha.

Besides, if they did they would only be helping the game. Highsec is in desperate need of content generation and if it takes some bloodthirsty alpha clones to generate it, so much the better. Antagonists are hanging on by their finger tips at this point in highsec, and without someone out there trying to generate content, nothing player-driven at all would be happening. Most forms of highsec player interaction have been completely killed, and with the watch list changes wardecs have been neutered by tedium, while constant nerfs to ganking have foreced miner gankers have to organize and provide a donation-funded SRP to keep going. Only hauler ganking seems to be at all healthy.

I am just glad the new NPE is reportedly sending new players to lowsec where they can actually see players interacting with each other rather than the barren, silent wasteland that highsec has become. Having recently mined "undercover" for while, I am amazed the previous NPE which sent newbies off to do this retained any players at all.

Sigh. Well, no one said saving highsec would be glamourous when I signed up.