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[NEWS] Former SOE Alleges New Cloning uses Project Discovery and Thera

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Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#1 - 2016-10-28 17:41:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Raholan
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Aring, Genesis Region – Former Sister of EVE and Sancturary Scientist Taya Akira, notable for exposing details of the SOE's presence in Thera, has alleged that the new "Alpha" cloning technology recently developed by the SOE combines data from the SOE's Project Discovery, research from the Sanctuary's scientific outposts in Thera, and techniques hitherto unknown to New Eden's scientific community.

Speaking exclusively to the Scope, from a secure location in the Aring system, Taya Akira warned that the Sanctuary's research in Thera included exploration of "profoundly dangerous remnants of technologies touching on neurocybernetic adaptation and artificial intelligence". Akira, now the leader of an SOE splinter faction calling itself "Pharos of Thera", went on to explain that she and her group had been monitoring the SOE's Project Discovery, and believed it to be aimed at "a complete understanding of Drifter, which is to say Jove, biology whether natural, adapted or profoundly altered by integration with artificial life systems".

Taya Akira's starkest warning came with her claim that "the combination of Thera research with Project Discovery findings is dangerous in its own right, but my sources within the Sanctuary have told me that a new technique has been added to the mix and that this has unlocked the new cloning technology the Sisters have given to the core empires". Asked to explain the danger, Akira would only say, "Anoikis, Thera and the Drifters are dangerous beyond any threat you can imagine. All of humanity must beware of the danger and not blindly fall into a trap of our own making."

The Sanctuary and the Sisters of EVE leadership issued a brief comment on the claims when approached: "Our former Sister Taya Akira was a brilliant scientist but the tragic events that took place in Thera during YC116 took a great toll on her, physically and we feel sure emotionally. We would willingly welcome her back and help her to recover from that terrible experience. Nevertheless, with all respect for Taya, we must reject the claims of danger involving our hugely successful Project Discovery efforts and most certainly with regard to the new cloning technology that is vital to the ongoing defense of humanity during the Drifter Crisis."




In illustration of the importance of capsuleer efforts against the Drifters, the DED's Genesis Fleet command has commended the efforts of such capsuleer groups as the Arataka Research Consortium (ARC) and the Special Empire Response for the Assault and Penetration of Hives (SERAPH). A recent engagement between capsuleers associated with SERAPH and a combined Circadian Seeker and Drifter tactical group resulted in the destruction of more than 20 Seekers and 50 Drifter vessels in the Sazre system.

SERAPH associate Morwen Lagann had some days earlier placed an Astrahus-class citadel in close proximity to the Jove Observatory in Sazre, to observe Seeker and Drifter activity. Imagery supplied by Lagann indicates Seeker investigation and engagement with the citadel. SERAPH commander Alizabeth Vea has suggested that Drifter activity in the system is a direct response to the citadel's proximity to the observatory, although this has not been confirmed by DED intelligence's Drifter analysis group.


I find the mere fact that the SOE are utilising Drifters for their own unknown agenda worrying, we barely understand what the Drifters are or even come from yet those fanatics in the SOE seem fit to be attempting to combine their biology with ours. One must pray that the Empires can find anything untoward in their own development of cloning technology using whats been handed to them by the SOE who certainly have ulterior motives for doing so.

Further more I wish to extends SFRIMS congratulations and Praise to the forces of both ARC and SERAPH for their ongoing engagements of both seeking to understand the Tyrannos and in exterminating them from the Cluster.

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#2 - 2016-10-28 17:44:29 UTC
Oh my, well, that's terrifying.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#3 - 2016-10-28 17:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Looks like the Scope needs an internal review of standards and practices. Similar tech has been available for a while. Having a "splinter member" of the SoE warn us about the dangers of "hitherto unknown techniques" is a massive cringe at best. Yellow journalism is alive and well.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-10-28 17:54:06 UTC
On behalf of SERAPH and all of my pilots, I graciously accept your congratulations, my lord. I look forward to continuing to fly with SFRIM pilots in ridding the cluster of the Drifter threat.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2016-10-28 17:56:41 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
On behalf of SERAPH and all of my pilots, I graciously accept your congratulations, my lord. I look forward to continuing to fly with SFRIM pilots in ridding the cluster of the Drifter threat.


See, now, I like killing Drifters but it seems that Concord's DED also likes me killing Drifters... I'm all conflicted... Let's hope that, at least, killing Drifters will improve my Security Status.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#6 - 2016-10-28 18:09:48 UTC
"... most certainly with regard to the new cloning technology that is vital to the ongoing defense of humanity during the Drifter Crisis."

I used to respect SOE.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-10-28 18:36:11 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:

I find the mere fact that the SOE are utilising Drifters for their own unknown agenda worrying, we barely understand what the Drifters are or even come from yet those fanatics in the SOE seem fit to be attempting to combine their biology with ours.

Drifters are quite hot topic and a lot of people, merited and not so are trying to get into this stuff.

Among them Ms. Alizabeth, who have shown herself excellent merited commander and expert in warfare against Drifter menace. With people like her Drifters have no chance.

On the other hand, there are also quite infamous charlatans and liars who are getting into the same topic for their personal petty needs. But lets not call their names, unless they themselves would like to pop out to introduce themselves. Besides, all you, dear readers, shall already know them.

I can only remind about one unluckily incident, when self proclaimed "scientists" stole Drifter corpse, that triggered Drifter invasion.

As for shall we trust SoE or not... I would for myself choose the latter. I don't know myself how much of fanatics SoE are themselves, but what I do know, they are in good standing with real fanatics of our cluster - Gallente Federation. And I wouldn't trust them only for that reason.

Regarding the combining stuff, I don't see myself anything worring though in using the salvaged technology from the enemy - it doesn't make us enemies for mere using it. But the means of extracting or "farming" something that we don't understand is a savage and barbaric process. Maybe those, who do farm Sleepers in the Anoikis deserve to be destroyed by Drifters for that. And for all the deaths that Drifters brought to our cluster, including the tragic incident with Her Majesty Jamyl I... Maybe we all are just amoral savages who need to be destroyed.

Though I honestly hope not all of us are like that and only those who actually did misdeeds shall be punished.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-10-28 20:09:41 UTC
Kim-haani, can you not? I would hope that in this case we can all celebrate successes without insult.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-10-28 20:33:36 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:

I find the mere fact that the SOE are utilising Drifters for their own unknown agenda worrying, we barely understand what the Drifters are or even come from yet those fanatics in the SOE seem fit to be attempting to combine their biology with ours. One must pray that the Empires can find anything untoward in their own development of cloning technology using whats been handed to them by the SOE who certainly have ulterior motives for doing so.

Further more I wish to extends SFRIMS congratulations and Praise to the forces of both ARC and SERAPH for their ongoing engagements of both seeking to understand the Tyrannos and in exterminating them from the Cluster.


I am now wondering:
Why do in the past drifters did not attack ships SOE.
When they were on their territory.
Very strange.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-10-28 20:36:23 UTC
Please excuse me if it sounded insulting, that wasn't intentional! If you wish, I could remove the part regarding your person. I just wanted to praise your work, and I am bringing my sincere apologies if you think my words have insulted you.

If my apologies won't be enough, I will accept the challenge as a Caldari Officer.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#11 - 2016-10-28 21:07:46 UTC
Kim-haani, I take no insult, but the rest of your post was insulting other persons. I accept your praise on behalf of myself and my pilots. As to the rest of it, give it a rest. Please.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Yadaryon Vondawn
Vicanthya
#12 - 2016-10-28 21:21:43 UTC
I am glad all the hard work by the community formed around the project paid off. This technology will alter the state of New Eden for better or worse. I'd rather have change and possible progression than no change out of fear.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#13 - 2016-10-28 22:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Wow. We've got some people rushing to judgment here, but let's take a look at what this news report actually tells us:

Taya Akira is the leader of a splinter group from the SOE calling themselves 'Pharos of Thera'. A 'Pharos' is a maritime lighthouse, which is something we generally don't use in space, so the nearest analog is a navigational beacon to warn of danger. She and her group are clearly focused on Anoikis ('of Thera' is kind of a huge giveaway). If their name is at all indicative of their purpose (as would seem to be a reasonably safe assumption) then, they have as their raison d'etre a mission of warning people about dangers in Anoikis. One assumes they 'splintered' for a reason. So it would seem to make sense that this group exists because they believe there's something in the SOE to warn people about—or at least, they believe there's something the SOE isn't warning people about. This means there's an inescapable implied bias inherent in their warnings.

So what are they telling The Scope?

Quote:

[S]he and her group had been monitoring the SOE's Project Discovery, and believed it to be aimed at "a complete understanding of Drifter, which is to say Jove, biology whether natural, adapted or profoundly altered by integration with artificial life systems".

(Emphasis added)

So Akira and her group believe this about Project Discovery. They don't seem to have offered The Scope any evidence, though. Why not? If they've been observing the SOE, and even used to be part of the SOE, why don't they have anything to corroborate their claims? If they do, why isn't the Scope presenting that information? Do they not find it credible?

And what is is they believe the SOE are attempting to do? Understand the Drifters' biology and cybernetics? Oh no! They want to actually get an idea of what it is that we're facing! THE FIENDS!

And then we're told:

Quote:

["M]y sources within the Sanctuary have told me that a new technique has been added to the mix and that this has unlocked the new cloning technology the Sisters have given to the core empires". Asked to explain the danger, Akira would only say, "Anoikis, Thera and the Drifters are dangerous beyond any threat you can imagine. All of humanity must beware of the danger and not blindly fall into a trap of our own making."


So we have speculation about the SOE's motives, compounded with secondhand speculation about what they've already achieved toward those motives. And when she's asked to explain what exactly is so dangerous about the new cloning technology, her response is... 'DRIFTERS BAD! WORMHOLES BAD! GRRR!'

A biased group issuing nebulous 'warnings' with absolutely no proof of anything. And people are jumping all over it. Really?

Lucas Raholan wrote:

I find the mere fact that the SOE are utilising Drifters for their own unknown agenda worrying, we barely understand what the Drifters are or even come from yet those fanatics in the SOE seem fit to be attempting to combine their biology with ours.


So in the same sentence, you're saying we don't understand what the Drifters are... and decrying that the SOE are supposedly trying to answer that question. Really? Because of the completely unfounded allegations of someone who has their own 'unknown agenda' and a clear bias against the SOE?

And that's just where things start.

Really now, I'm not saying 'OMG, we should all trust the SOE', but there's nothing but rumor here, and in the case of this having anything to do with the new cloning technology, we're literally being handed a rumor of a rumor. How about we look at this and decide to be wary, but not bandwagon on either side, and keep the torches and pitchforks in storage for now?
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#14 - 2016-10-28 22:18:56 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
we're literally being handed a rumor of a rumor. How about we look at this and decide to be wary, but not bandwagon on either side, and keep the torches and pitchforks in storage for now?


Well, look at what happens whenever there's a Gutter Press IGS broadcast. Rumours of rumours, and the whole IGS goes CRAZY !

So, um, well, I forget what point it was I was going to make here. Something about this being par for the course or something, I think.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Matar Ronin
#15 - 2016-10-29 15:23:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Matar Ronin
Arrendis wrote:

Really now, I'm not saying 'OMG, we should all trust the SOE', but there's nothing but rumor here, and in the case of this having anything to do with the new cloning technology, we're literally being handed a rumor of a rumor. How about we look at this and decide to be wary, but not bandwagon on either side, and keep the torches and pitchforks in storage for now?
My goodness what has happened to the IGS we all knew? A goon is the person calling for thoughtful actions and reactions.

What's next will dim kim stop calling everyone who proves her arguments weak a liar?

Really people the mob mentality to scapegoat somebody when you don't know what is going on is well out of hand. The people who best understand "Drifters" are the ones who have done/or are doing the research on them. The ones who are besting them in combat situations based on experience and tactics demonstrate knowledge of how "Drifters" operate and fight.

Because the OP does not know or trust what SOE is doing is actually quite understandable, I doubt he could inform us of any of the research efforts of the entities or agencies he does trust because they would not share classified information with him. So I think I'll settle back into my capsule and not be alarmed by the people running around screaming that the "sky is falling!" because of rumors by a splinter group devoid of one splinter of provable fact.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Kybernetes Moros
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#16 - 2016-10-29 20:08:37 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

So we have speculation about the SOE's motives, compounded with secondhand speculation about what they've already achieved toward those motives. And when she's asked to explain what exactly is so dangerous about the new cloning technology, her response is... 'DRIFTERS BAD! WORMHOLES BAD! GRRR!'


I still remember the good old days: I seem to recall the Sanctuary being pretty quick to try and get people killed, if said people parted with the Sisters on bad enough terms while knowing too much.

What's this nonsense this Lighthouse woman spouting all about, then? Enigmatic (and conveniently unfalsifiable!) doom-saying doesn't fit too well with the Sanctuary's no-holds-barred approach to internal security. I rather think that our Taya is trying to cling to relevance after spilling the beans on Thera! "Let's not fall into a trap of our own making, but what that trap is I shan't say"? Dear me!

The Sisters are a shady bunch (to say the very least!), but I certainly can't blame them for trying to understand and use a bunch of technology that's suddenly been put in front of them (or that they've suddenly put themselves in front of!). Good on them for taking the initiative there!
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-10-30 07:03:21 UTC
Kybernetes Moros wrote:
Arrendis wrote:

So we have speculation about the SOE's motives, compounded with secondhand speculation about what they've already achieved toward those motives. And when she's asked to explain what exactly is so dangerous about the new cloning technology, her response is... 'DRIFTERS BAD! WORMHOLES BAD! GRRR!'


I still remember the good old days: I seem to recall the Sanctuary being pretty quick to try and get people killed, if said people parted with the Sisters on bad enough terms while knowing too much.

What's this nonsense this Lighthouse woman spouting all about, then? Enigmatic (and conveniently unfalsifiable!) doom-saying doesn't fit too well with the Sanctuary's no-holds-barred approach to internal security. I rather think that our Taya is trying to cling to relevance after spilling the beans on Thera! "Let's not fall into a trap of our own making, but what that trap is I shan't say"? Dear me!

The Sisters are a shady bunch (to say the very least!), but I certainly can't blame them for trying to understand and use a bunch of technology that's suddenly been put in front of them (or that they've suddenly put themselves in front of!). Good on them for taking the initiative there!


In Arrendis' defense, a cursory look at the early days of Infantry Clone technology - which I need not remind anyone was based on and quite literally Sleeper implants - is all the warning one needs to be wary of the origins of new technology. Especially, dare I say, from Drifters.

It's likely no coincidence that we're also seeing Covenant raids on military cloning facilities, given how closely they follow the Sisters...

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2016-10-30 07:21:57 UTC
Yeah, let's not forget the dangers of tooling up to Eldritch Horrors, blowing them apart and then literally just sticking some of the broken bits into our heads.

It's not like we haven't already done this before, people.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Kybernetes Moros
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#19 - 2016-10-30 11:41:59 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
In Arrendis' defense...

I thought I was agreeing with Arrendis: I think I might have misjudged the tone of her comments or misphrased my own if that's the impression you get!

Nomistrav wrote:
...a cursory look at the early days of Infantry Clone technology - which I need not remind anyone was based on and quite literally Sleeper implants - is all the warning one needs to be wary of the origins of new technology. Especially, dare I say, from Drifters.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Yeah, let's not forget the dangers of tooling up to Eldritch Horrors, blowing them apart and then literally just sticking some of the broken bits into our heads.

Ever the optimist, I prefer to hope that people learned from that saga. Maybe it will have taught people to happily dismantle new geegaws to see how they work and (hopefully!) be able to use the insights in souping their own gear up, but perhaps to avoid shoving it directly into your head as a complete black box.

Or maybe not!

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It's not like we haven't already done this before, people.

Precisely! Lessons learned, with any luck. Still, even with my own cultural tendencies favouring exciting and innovative bits and bobs going into one's head, I'll probably give it all a wide berth personally. "With any luck" is always a dangerous caveat!
Keta Lindur
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#20 - 2016-11-02 08:05:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Keta Lindur
Tyrathlion Interstellar would like to clarify that our facility, Saera's Vigil, is a project neither sponsored by nor directly affiliated with either the Arataka Research Consortium or SERAPH; it is instead an independent venture funded solely by our CEO intending to provide research and applied science capabilities for subjects both Drifter-related and not, for the benefit of the cluster at large. That said, both groups, as well as select others, have access to the facility for research and staging purposes.

However, for clarity's sake, the facility's relevance to Operation Morning Glory is solely due to the presence of a wormhole connection to a Drifter Hive on the day of the operation. It was neither constructed with the operation in mind (even though it was on our radar), nor was it expected it would see use so quickly. The presence of that connection is why it was offered as a convenient rally point for the fleet as it saved pilots participating in the operation the trouble of having to spend time trying to find a connection elsewhere so that they could focus on staging for and participation in the operation itself.

It was suggested by our CEO (and agreed with by others) on the day of Operation Morning Glory that the Hive connection may have been a deliberate retaliation on the part of the Drifters in response to the construction of the facility two days prior. Three additional wormhole connections to Drifter Hives - two of them simultaneously - occurred in the first week of the facility's operation, for a grand total of four connections. This further lends credence to the theory, but it is not sufficient evidence to rule out pure coincidence.

As a final addendum, any pilots interested in use of the facility either as individuals or as a corporation should have a member of their corporation or alliance's leadership or diplomatic teams contact myself and/or our CEO to discuss details and options.
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