EVE General Discussion

I'm more casual of a player, and I'm sure there are people out there like me, I used to game a lot, but now not so much and want to play a little differently... eve online says they are a big sandbox, this is true, but they have no parental supervision. it is like all the bullies in the neighborhood invite the nice little kids to come play with all there toys just so the bullies can push them down, take there toys, kick dirt in there face, and than go to there friends and brag how they just punched a 4 year old in the face and took his tanka truck.

this is very discouraging for people like me who plays solo, or close to it, just playing with a small group of people, now what i suggest are some realistic changes,

Change 1

Need: some type of real security in high security systems

Scenario 1: Pilot X has high standings with Empires A, C, G, and M .. he worked hard on standings with all 4, knowing this has loaded his cargo hold with items that he can sell 20 jumps away, in a freighter if he stayed at the helm it would take 1-2 hrs, so he sets it on autopilot.

Scenario 1A: currently someone can scan your hold then bump you so that your autopilot disengages, than kill you using enough firepower, netting a big kill and lots of loot. also netting you a slight loss in security rating and little to no Empire standing loss, what i suggest is this

since Pilot X has a high Empire standing, if you attack unprovoked you loose %100 of their Empire Standing (ES), times the security rating of the system (SR)

Pilot X ES = 7.2 … Security rating of the system = 0.8 Pilot Y ES = 2.4

if Pilot Y attacks and kills the ship of Pilot X the equation would be

7.2 x 0.8 = a loss of 5.76 so if he had 2.4 and - 5.76 this would = -3.36

this is not security rating, this is Empire standing, so that if you are spotted by empire you will be targeted and killed on sight, since the empire owns the gate, they kill you on the gate, also i suggest that warp disruption fields be fitted on the gates of high security systems. this doesn't mean you cant gank, it just means you cant come through the gate, so if you have a -1.0 Empire Standing (ES) you can access 0.9 systems -2.0 = 0.8 systems and so on.

Need: Low security needs to be more like what High security is now.. using the system above the only real difference is that you wouldn't have Warp bubbles on gates in low security

lets make this more complex now, freighter pilot X has ES A = 5.0 and ES G = -3.0 using the system above if i killed the freighter i would get a loss ES with Empire A, but would get a ES gain with Empire G.

make it even more complex… if my alliance is in good standing with one empire, and i border that empire and contribute to that empire, my security rating should increase in consistent ratio to my contribution… but if i don't contribute than security level should be lowered, movement threshold of 0.1 security point a month, and if i hold the system and contribute to that empire to get a high security system of 5.0, and i set my standings with a rival alliance to -10 and they have less than 5.0 with that same alliance they get bubbled and shot automatically at the gate, (again this doesn't mean you cant get into system, some other way. I.E. finding a wormhole).. this doesn't mean that the resources diminish .. introduce a system resource rating, this would help miners know where to go to get better material, have it linked with the sovereignty mechanic. (just like it is now)

Please comment, and criticism is welcome as long as it is constructive.

this would make mining matter again, along with making standings matter.

You are going to get flamed hard for this.

My two cents is that use the existing sec status limiter and add warp disruption fields that engage on characters that meet those cut offs in ALL high sec space. Warp disruption fields are set at 20km around the gates. This would mean 8kms burn out after jump tunnel spawn and 20km burn to a gate.

Ultimately it slows down travel for negative factions and limits ship types that can be used to travel around space and again the only threats will be faction police, webs and scrams with webs applying first and being MORE of a detriment than previously, and players ability to freely engage -5s. It means no more -10s podding around high sec and having to fit prop mods to ALL ship fits.

It gives increased risk to all pirate activities as it is now not a free warp around gate to gate and forces everyone to rethink travel around high sec. It is also a throw back to the original Eve burn 15kms to the gates using current technology and only would be implemented on players with low enough sec status.

Nice attitude Jagd. This is why this game's community has such a horrible (and well-deserved) reputation.

Blah blah blah.

Why do you carebears even play this game?

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I get what your saying but i have to disagree with the whole concept. Lets say you are in Caldari EMpire space and get ganked, lets say you had 5.0 standings with Caldari and your ganker has -2.5 caldari standing. why would the Caldari empire care if a Capsuleer they didnt like killed a capsuleer they did like? it makes sense if say you are apart of Caldari FW and you were ganked but not for an in general gank.
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if you get Ganked .. it does not change, only if you gank

^^^ Cos I'm proper 'ard, innit.

Folk pay their money and takes their pick.

Deal with it.

Yes and no.

Threads like this express a view that some players want to play how they choose; but others shouldn't have that same luxury.

Freedom to choose how I play, means I also need to respect how you or someone else plays. Anything else is hypocritical (often overused word here, but in this case there's no better explanation).

It's not really fair for me to ask for 100% safe area so I can be left alone in peace, because there are others that like to interact through pvp with everyone.

The current approach is really the most fair approach there is.

Link Lossmail plz

no, fantasy is best when you have something approaching realism... take away the pilot and make a realistic world than add the fantasy.

The whle point of EVE is to be a sandbox where you can build sandcastles and kick other people's sandcastles over, beat them up and take their bucket and shovel.

I am not sure what problem you are trying to solve, OP, but your proposed solution doesn't solve it.

Relying on faction police to keep you safe is a serious case of self deception. The gankers will start multiple characters, balance their standings, and find other ways to work around your proposed security system.

As it stands the best thing you can do is manage your risk: don't carry more than a billion ISK worth in a freighter. Tank your freighter. Do not autopilot through Uedama. Scout with another ship, if you see flashy skulls in local or Machariels parked on the gates, do not pass through the system.

You can move your trading to lower bulk items which can be safely transported in cloaky ships like blockade runners or exploration frigates. You can offload your hauling to contractors who take the risks while providing you with collateral.

Figure out what the problem is you are trying to solve, then find ways of handling it. Everyone else is playing by the same rules; if they can do things that you can't, the chances are that you are doing it wrong.