EVE General Discussion

Greeting all

This may cause huge flames but what the heck here goes :)

OK we have this lovely big ass patch almost upon us with lots of exciting, controversial and game changing stuff, though I only have one real bone in the broth

Alpha's :x

The concept of eve being free to play / unlimited trail play is great though CCP seem to have missed a rather large trick and i'll explain

The current trail system restricts the use of power by the fact that you have to pay, you want the goodies you had pay, this also had the advantage of smoothing the increase and decrease in player numbers and giving stability to the eve universe

OK come November the 15th (yup please make sure this patch works guys :) the handbrake comes off and Alphas will be with us

This is going to be really good for eve in lots of ways, more players trying eve, new player experience (if they get it working), free to play, try and die :D

Now everyone is concerned that come November there will be a huge increase of chars created to do one thing, that being gank the heck out of high sec and your right, high sec will be gank heaven

Now this is where CCP is missing a huge trick, by letting alphas have all this power in high sec they are missing out on risk v reward, IE the Alpha pilot has NO RISK but LARGE reward though ganking

Also CCP will miss out on a revenue stream as these pilots can make as many accounts as they like and put no isk into CCP's wallet, this is bad

The answer is very simple, just lock an alphas safety system to green while they are in high sec, this has several benefits

1 CCP won't have to do any monitoring of the player bases activities to work out if they are going to go gank crazy, be honest CCP you know we will

2 The idea behind Alphas remains truer, ie to get more people playing eve and having a better experience

3 Keep's the gankers under control

4 keeping alphas safety system locked in high sec means that if they want to shoot people in the face they will have to go to low sec, where this sort of action is SUPPOSED to happen, according to eve lore anyway

5 This is the biggie. OK a new player has an alpha clone, like eve but wants to do more things then he's going to be happy to buy a PLEX or sub his account, this gives a much higher player retention and also gets people that want to gank into paying for the game

6 CCP will look like muppets when they have to retroactively apply a brake on alphas due to the massive number of gankers flying around

OK i'll wrap this up in the following way

If you want to trading, mining, building, invention (IE PVE) in highsec (or anywhere else) you HAVE to pay, there is no way around it and at the moment if you want to gank then you dont really have to pay, just make a new account

So CCP, in this patch that i'm really (in most part) looking forward to, keep the alphas safety system locked in high sec and reap the rewards of having more money coming in and also having a better high sec :)

Ganking is a way of life in eve and it's not something that will ever go away, it's a lifestyle that people like though they need to pay for it in the same way that that other people do

Basically whatever lifestyle people choose in eve, they should rightly pay for it

FREE TO PLAY, YES!

FREE TO GANK NO!!

OK that's me typed out :)

Fly safe

Stop invoking CCP's financials as a reason to implement game changes. It is not your concern, nor something you can speak to.

But as to your worries, rest easy. CCP has said they can easily implement a lock-out of criminal behaviour if alpha ganking turns out to be an issue. Personally, I don't think that will be an issue now that only a single alpha clone can be logged in at a time, but rest assured they have an easy, 100% fix to the problem you are imagining.

But in case you haven't been paying attention, ganking has been nerfed into the ground in the last few years. There is no profit, or reward left. Sure, overloaded haulers still provide entertaining and sometimes profitable killmails, but that will always be the case as long as players get to decide how much cargo to carry in their ships. Otherwise, there is no ISK to be made in shooting other ships in highsec.

So to be clear, there is a limit on how many accounts you can have logged in, so you don't have to worry about fleets of alts ganking, or stripping belts, or repping or anything else. There is just one alpha account allowed per person.

I think its kinda ridiculous that players who pay the sub are at risk of losing costly assets to players who are not paying a sub. Ganking is important to EVE, however, it should be part of the content that a subscription is required for considering the potential reward.


Bad CCP very very bad CCP

CCP have been quite open that they are taking as hands-off an approach as possible, with as few restrictions in place as they can, but watching closely.

If it turns out that the level of ganking increases beyond what they are comfortable with, then they'll change it.

Don't be a carebear and there's really no problem (and by carebear, I mean - don't be someone who doesn't look after themself, whether that's pve or pvp focused).

Please just stop. We all know how much you fail-antigankers are obsessed with CCP's finances and like to blame ganking for the stagnant numbers.

You're not really concerned with CCP's finances, you just want to carebear in safety.

I want the game to exist and the only way to ensure that is too keep you lot from sissifying it. Robbing EVE of her soul ruins the game, it doesn't save anything.

Actually if you learned to understand points other than those in your own self interest, you would understand, I do not believe in a safe Hi-sec. I just believe that the current system of destroyer ganks coupled with the ability to scan cargo means that the risk vs reward mechanism is broken very badly.

I just think you need to actually fork out more isk to gank like you are, so you are actually risking something reasonable when you are going for a multi billion isk freighter reward or even a ship worth several hundred million while the gankers are merely putting up a couple of tens of million.

And yes ganking has made a lot of miners leave, it is because it is unbalanced and has been so since the crimewatch, destroyer rebalance was done but it is hardly the only reason for player numbers falling.

^^ this

it is what it is though

You need at least 58 different people since alpha accounts can not be multiboxed. 58 players to kill one ship and you call that "stacked in favour of the gankers". That is just hilarious.

Aaaaaand there he is on about ISK-tanking again. Everyone may now disregard this goofy post. Thousands of words have been written on these forums about exactly how terrible and short-sighted the idea of ISK-tanking is. -I don't think I need to go into it.