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COMMANDER KATMAN
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-10-29 00:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: COMMANDER KATMAN
I have done alot of testing with the new Rorq and love the changes...


With Max all Level 5 skills, T2Core, x2 T2 Mining drone rigs & 1 T1... the Very best you can Yield =


8,768m3 per Excavator Drone // 45,024m3 per set of 5 Drones, Per 90 Seconds cycle. Lol

Ice Excavator Drones = 9-10sec cycle time, so 5 units of ice per 9-10sec per set of 5 drones Cool


Most of you might be like WOW, but I think it is where it needs to be... it will be a lot of investment both skills and Isk, also risk to set this up right on TQ, so I feel given all that, it should be worth doing and you should get Big numbers.

the fact u need to compress so often keeps you active, and becomes more like a mini game as you see that ore hold fill up with isk Blink

With 3 T2 Drone Navs in the mids, I had the ore drones moving at 618m/s... But tbh you should be MWD/Warping to a spot where you want to mine, then cycle Green for a few cycles till it is done, then flash red and move to the next spot

I also think the build cost of the mining drones should reflect just how good these drones are to use, and They are *Very Good* and easy to use!! I think the build Mats cost both T2 and the 7 Drone Mats are spot on, and where they should be.


After solo'ing a null index, Level 0-5 over a few days I can say.... The whole feel and flow mining with a Rorq feels very good where it is at now all in all Big smile.

Bravo CCP for making mining Good.

I Look forward to this hitting TQ with all the other content

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-10-29 04:37:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Arronicus
Alot isn't a word. That said, finally someone else who is posting the correct numbers. I won't name names, but people seem to have bad math. And yes, the risk and effort to rorq mine in siege, as well as to keep your drones getting even reasonable yield is going to be massive. I suspect we are going to see a lot of dead rorquals.
COMMANDER KATMAN
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-10-29 05:52:06 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Alot isn't a word. That said, finally someone else who is posting the correct numbers. I won't name names, but people seem to have bad math. And yes, the risk and effort to rorq mine in siege, as well as to keep your drones getting even reasonable yield is going to be massive. I suspect we are going to see a lot of dead rorquals.


Changed it just for you P

Yes we will see a ton of loss mails... however the dps with 2 damage mods a dcu/pdu in the lows is not something to be messed with, Gekco's was hitting for 2200 and curators for 800-1000 each in my tests... even 5 warrior's have the numbers to 2 volley most frigs. (when the core is active)

Also I wanted to point out u can Hit the Panic Mod Lol while the Indy core is flashing red... once indy core cycle completes and under the nexus only u can move/align up to 35m/s or close to it, also nothing to stop u fitting a cyno on and lighting it as soon as the panic mod goes down, to bridge in a fleet or jump in caps to back u up... I do see what ccp was going for here and it ain't all that bad.

Also I was getting with a T2 cap SB just over 20k reps per 4 sec with T2 indy core active (22k+/3.4 sec) with OL and the ship layout gives a tons of room for different fitting options Tanky/Max Miner/Battle Fit or even a mix

Given all this... Setting up in the right systems with some form of early warning system Bubbles/Eyes/Scan for WH's etc, using the indy core is worth the risk, depending on what you have to mine not hard to pull 13-14m per cycle once crushed... 500m+ an hour given perfect skills/set up/ having the Ore to mine out on tap (large sites or better) we are talking solo here don't forget... but yes all in the set up and planning if you want to Rorq mine like a King.

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Ded Akara
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-10-29 07:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ded Akara
So basically CCP just made the rorqual mine ORE asteroids at the equivalent rate to to TEN fleet boosted hulks at once.

Is the intention to wreck the mineral market?
COMMANDER KATMAN
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-10-29 14:39:21 UTC
Ded Akara wrote:
So basically CCP just made the rorqual mine ORE asteroids at the equivalent rate to to TEN fleet boosted hulks at once.

Is the intention to wreck the mineral market?



I think it is intended tbh... with the new complex's to be built and all the free players coming mineral supply needs buffing

also before burn jita the ave price of a battleship was 90mill... maybe they want T1 back to where it was ??

whatever the case may be, to mine at this level will take most players months of skill time, or tons of injectors... So we wont see everyone doing it right away.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2016-10-30 00:41:15 UTC
Ded Akara wrote:
So basically CCP just made the rorqual mine ORE asteroids at the equivalent rate to to TEN fleet boosted hulks at once.

Is the intention to wreck the mineral market?


It might just be. Mineral prices have been steadily rising for the past 10 years and this is a great way to bring it back down across the board. Cheaper stuff = easier for new players to get stuff.

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#7 - 2016-10-30 06:25:38 UTC
I'm curious, aren't ice mining drones 50mb?

From the blog;
Quote:
The new Ice Harvester Drones will come in Tech 1, Tech 2, ‘Augmented’, and ‘Excavator’ versions and follow a similar progression as the normal mining drones. They receive cycle time bonuses rather than yield since ice comes in such large blocks. The Tech 1, Tech 2, and ‘Augmented’ versions of these drones have volumes of 50 m3 and use 50 mbits of bandwidth. To avoid any major danger to the ice mining market, these drones rely heavily on the bonuses provided by mining foreman ships to be competitive (but they can be used by any ship that has 50mbits of bandwidth available)
Unless the Rorqual has 250mb/s drone bandwidth, your figures might be just a bit wrong..

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fightingblind
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-10-30 12:53:03 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
I'm curious, aren't ice mining drones 50mb?

From the blog;
Quote:
The new Ice Harvester Drones will come in Tech 1, Tech 2, ‘Augmented’, and ‘Excavator’ versions and follow a similar progression as the normal mining drones. They receive cycle time bonuses rather than yield since ice comes in such large blocks. The Tech 1, Tech 2, and ‘Augmented’ versions of these drones have volumes of 50 m3 and use 50 mbits of bandwidth. To avoid any major danger to the ice mining market, these drones rely heavily on the bonuses provided by mining foreman ships to be competitive (but they can be used by any ship that has 50mbits of bandwidth available)
Unless the Rorqual has 250mb/s drone bandwidth, your figures might be just a bit wrong..



Excavator drones are 25mb/s drone bandwidth...
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#9 - 2016-10-30 23:41:23 UTC
fightingblind wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
I'm curious, aren't ice mining drones 50mb?

From the blog;
Quote:
The new Ice Harvester Drones will come in Tech 1, Tech 2, ‘Augmented’, and ‘Excavator’ versions and follow a similar progression as the normal mining drones. They receive cycle time bonuses rather than yield since ice comes in such large blocks. The Tech 1, Tech 2, and ‘Augmented’ versions of these drones have volumes of 50 m3 and use 50 mbits of bandwidth. To avoid any major danger to the ice mining market, these drones rely heavily on the bonuses provided by mining foreman ships to be competitive (but they can be used by any ship that has 50mbits of bandwidth available)
Unless the Rorqual has 250mb/s drone bandwidth, your figures might be just a bit wrong..



Excavator drones are 25mb/s drone bandwidth...

Yes, yes they are but they are also ore mining drones.
Excavator ICE mining drones are 50Mbits. They are an Augmented drone..

Read the quote; or instead - The T1, T2 AND Augmented (anything not T1 or T2) have volumes of 50m3 50mbits.

It isn't hard, if you read the available information...

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Gabber359
0.0 Massive Dynamic
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2016-10-31 14:12:07 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
fightingblind wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
I'm curious, aren't ice mining drones 50mb?

From the blog;
Quote:
The new Ice Harvester Drones will come in Tech 1, Tech 2, ‘Augmented’, and ‘Excavator’ versions and follow a similar progression as the normal mining drones. They receive cycle time bonuses rather than yield since ice comes in such large blocks. The Tech 1, Tech 2, and ‘Augmented’ versions of these drones have volumes of 50 m3 and use 50 mbits of bandwidth. To avoid any major danger to the ice mining market, these drones rely heavily on the bonuses provided by mining foreman ships to be competitive (but they can be used by any ship that has 50mbits of bandwidth available)
Unless the Rorqual has 250mb/s drone bandwidth, your figures might be just a bit wrong..



Excavator drones are 25mb/s drone bandwidth...

Yes, yes they are but they are also ore mining drones.
Excavator ICE mining drones are 50Mbits. They are an Augmented drone..

Read the quote; or instead - The T1, T2 AND Augmented (anything not T1 or T2) have volumes of 50m3 50mbits.

It isn't hard, if you read the available information...


I agree, it isn't hard if you read the available information.....properly.

Excavator Ore Mining AND Ice Harvesting drones are BOTH 25Mbit/sec. NOT 50.
http://imgur.com/a/5VPAO


Civilian, T1, T2 and Augmented Ore mining drones are 5
Ice T1, Ice T2 and Augmented Ice are all 50

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