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literally unplayable

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And now I have to Alt+Tab to desktop to view the killboard in order to take care of Diplo/drama stuff which is a huge immersion breaker to me.

If your current team can't manage the game properly CCP, perhaps you should find more suitable people for the job.

CCP, you say you hear our feedback, and there are threads in which you do.... Unfortunately, it seems you are just ignoring this one. The IGB has been a valuable asset for many of us, allowing us to check prices, killboards, jumps, etc. without breaking the immersion by alt-tabbing. Sometimes you might be in a cloaked orbit and want to check a player urgently (is he bait, isn't he ?) .. .do you really think that it is good practice to alt+tab and not see whether he suddenly changes course towards you or warps out or the D-scan gets full ?..

Anyway .. I am aware of the fact the IGB is old code full of security vulnerabilities ... but people with common sense know how to use it and avoid malicious sites. You know very well that you can get infected even when using the latest Chrome or Firefox or IE very easily if you don't have anti-malware installed. But if you do have it installed , it will also block any threat from the IGB and you don't need to worry too much about security.

Make the IGB a toggle in settings, throw a big warning on screen about not guaranteeing any security with it, advise the player to use it only at his/her own risk, but PLEASE bring it back somehow.

Thank you for hearing our voices !!

Feo.

WOW - after reading the posts following mine from a few days ago, I am glad to see many others feel the same way about this. After logging in earlier today to try the game sans IGB, I agree with many that the game is nearly unplayable at least if, during gameplay, you want to use web-based tools to do any of the following:

• Analyze market trends\forces\opportunities
• Use maps
• Lookup recent killmails & histories
• Check for regional & system hotspots
• Real-time ganking research
• Mission analysis & reference
• Harvesting research
• The list goes on and on...

I find all of the above functions integral to playing the game but more importantly, integral to maximizing the player experience. Without the IGB, the only option left to us is having a dual-monitor rig which, while really cool, is not cost effective nor easy to justify for the average gamer.

While I doubt this will have any effect, I have started an online petition that can be accessed via the link below. Other than that, the only way I see this changing is due to massive player protest that hits CCP where they cannot ignore us - in the pocketbook or in somehow impacting the game. The former is challenging and the latter risks being banned from the game or worse yet, legal issues.

Net-net, we the players should not be required to even consider such things and frankly, we wouldn't need to if CCP just listened to their users as they once did. One thing I loved about the game back in 2010 was how inviting CCP was to the user community but even more so, how involved and integral to game development the players appeared to be. Seems much has changed regarding CCP's respect of us players...

Supremely lame...

https://www.change.org/p/ccp-ccp-bring-back-the-eve-online-in-game-browser-igb

I guess the cause is lost. If people have not been outraged by now they will never be.
It's pretty simple as vast majority of EVE players didn't need the IGB in the first place.
Most of them are either carebears or lemming pvpers perfectly willing to follow orders and nothing else.
There were of course those who used to have their mini-games that IGB allowed but who would care about those players?

So in theory everything is fine. However, if you take a look at server activity graph then you'll see that 2 years ago peaks were at even 57-60 thousand players online. Now in October 2016, the peaks are at 34 thousand players. So I guess those changes that were meant to imprve EVE and didn't affect most of EVE players made about 23 thousands of them vanish over the last 2 years.
So how many of those 23 thousand players you did not listen to CCP?

Take a look at the Citadels for example. Before they were released peaks were at 40 thousand EVE players online.
2 months later peaks were only at 30 thousands EVE players online. So why the change? Perhaps because of the recurring opportunities which were a blasphemy to what EVE ever was and not even Citadels helped.

Let's look a bit earlier at the beginning of 2014 which had 57 thousand EVE players peak.
I belive that in March 2014 the skins were introduced. And what were the peaks after that? Around 40 thousand players on the average. Were all gone because of microtransactions? I doubt that. But were many of those looking to paint their ships as a free expansion based on the subscription they pay? I would say so. I was one of them.

Too bad that server activity graph might not be as useful when EVE goes free 2 play in less than a month, so we won't know how many mini-games that EVE's made of you removed in favour of the vast majority which seems to be shrinking in volume with every "free" expansion you provide.

So is there anything you can do about the lost functionality, CCP?

It would seem that the only mapping software that allows you to set destinatins (Dotlan) from the old IGB isnt being updated, or at least has not been to allow you to do the destination setting via crest. So setting anyy destination is now fairly complicated as the ingame map isnt really good for that kind of thing.

I am not a developer but couldnt the IGB just have stayed in game and sat there for these apps to use them and/or des anyone know of a mapping tool like dotlan that allows you to easily set a destination within the game.

What I used to do was have dotlan open in the IGB with the tracking feature on, then find a system I want to go to choosing maybe by jumps, rats killed, ships killed etc, right click then off of one of the menus you could select that as a waypoint or destination and your route would be done, took seconds to do

Now I have to open dotlan in an external browser (or overview), make a note of that system name, open people and places, make sure search type is any type in the system name (hoping that I have not done a typo like a 0 for a o, or a i for a 1 and when it comes up, right click the destination.

Further evidence of the inconvenience of the IGB removal is say I wanted to travel to 9-FOB2 in Providence, I know it in my head as 9fob, but entering 9fob in search in game brings up nothing, so I have to look and remember there is a -, so I go to search and enter 9-fob, nothing appears (I am actually doing this in game as I type this Oh but it isnt 9-fob, it's 9-f0b (zero not an oh), now ive found it.

What took literally seconds before took much longer.

So yes I can search for it in people and places (assuming I know the correct spelling) but (in this example) using the feature in dotlan was easy and it was convenient, and now it is a lot more mucking around just to enter the name. I could use the in game map (hottible thing that that is) and I am presented with this, oh look there is 9-fob the very dull text up near the top.... or looking at dotlan in the next example, which is easier to see and use?

I am in 9uy here 2 jumps from 9fob and it is still difficukt to immediately see.

In Game Map - http://imgur.com/IBmj85G

Dotlan - http://imgur.com/rJ9Oqrh

I personally really just used dotlan in the IGB so that is where I am feeling frutrated, I wouldnt care if the IGB was taken out if the way that the map (dotlan) in this case was presented clearly to me, the in game map is not as easy to use as dotlan (see pictures) and I cannot see CCP developing an ingame map to have that same basic feel.

It also looks like dotlan isnt developed any more, I emailed the creator with no answer, his characters KB was last updated in 2015 (although not a definitive indicator of being in game, judging by the corp he is in I would except more loses.

Also saying that the information is there in crest for 3rd partes to use is great if 3rd parties do it, but if they dont then we are stuck... its like ship fittings, how can that be left to a 3rd party... what if no one every did a ship fitting tool, how do you think eve would look then?

Honestly I'm not sure if CCP realizes how bad the new map is as a map. Then again, all those threads about the map felt a solid bit like this.

When they have 'abstract' mode, couldn't they borrow the concept from dotlan ? Hell they could even have separate 2d plane per region with 3d connections sensibly presented ... They could borrow some ideas from how EvE PLH presents the map as well. People use those tools for a reason. There was also another impressive eve online map (though no longer available), forgot the name though.

@ Steve Ronuken I would be intterested in your reponse, you popped in answered with a question which I answered and now nothign... a bit like good mapping softare where i canset destinations from... i have nothing.

If you think the last five years have been successful, then prove it by the numbers, CCP once used concurrent player count and subscriptions as a measure of success, which I and much of community agrees with, more that play more opportunity for fun, because that is the reason why all of us play this once amazing game. So please put up or shut up, because the concurrent player count has been slowly dying which is a huge indicator to the lack of success of EVE development.

Now if you're measuring success by another means, like say revenue than by all means EVE has been extremely successful, I'm sure revenue is up because you turned every new feature into a way for CCP to get paid, you turn your players into one big piggy bank. One big problem with this approach, While you can have a successful game with focus on revenue vs community growth but once the revenue goes negative, its only a matter of time before EVE Forever because EVE bankruptcy, and knowing that EVE has a time limit to how long it will be around vs the endless wonder this community once offered its gamers, the desire to play fades away along with the great memories we all once shared in this community.

So if you want to prove that you actually care, show us the success that EVE has enjoyed over the past five years, show us the increasing concurrent player counts or subscriptions? Instead all you can show us is increased revenue and strong return on investments on development for micro transaction features.

Not trying to be rude or anything but only thing you care about is $$$ and the proof is in the numbers ;)