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svipul just a thought

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Chuck Lost
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-10-28 02:22:21 UTC
Hello
I am a new player too eve. I am not a new player to games have played since the first game systems hit the market.
I have been playing now for about 3 months and have spent money on the game and allot of time. That means I enjoy it.
as a new player I realized that I need to focus on a few ships due to the lack of skill points I have vs someone that has been here for years. So as a pvp ship I focused on trying to get all the skills to fly I svipul and fly it well enough to do something. I didn't know that they where considered op or whatever. So now I hear the ship is to be nerfed. And nerf so bad as to not be useful. So I ask what did I do deserve to be punished and have the time I just spent trying to get into this game taken away?
instead of nerfing you made the mistake not me "buff others". Doesn't it seem better to reward a bunch rather then punishing a few.

this is not to complaint I have played many games that nerf peoples classes.
Have u ever noticed after nerfs to peoples classes in all games those people seem to fade away and quit the game.
Ever seen a bunch of people quit a game after getting buffed.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#2 - 2016-10-28 03:05:11 UTC
The Svipul was/is overpowered.

You're not being punished, you're having your unfair advantage taken away.

That said, it's not going to be useless afterwards. It just won't be as strong.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#3 - 2016-10-28 03:34:16 UTC
Buffing everything to bring one ship into line is a hideous idea.

Because it leads to power creep.

And you can't just compare a single ship class, ignoring the others. So you'd have to buff pretty much _everything_ in game.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-10-28 16:01:11 UTC
Chuck Lost wrote:
Hello
So as a pvp ship I focused on trying to get all the skills to fly I svipul and fly it well enough to do something. I didn't know that they where considered op or whatever. .


If you didn't know they were OP then what drew you to the svipul? It will still look the same it will still fill the role it was made for, It just isn't the kill everyone else ship it was, but you have lost nothing of that since you didn't know and thus want that anyways, right?

Key thing is we don't want one ship to rule them all. We want them to be balanced and choices to be made about which to fly and what will counter what. Steve, above, is right. Balancing is not always about adding more but sometimes trimming back. That is what happened in this case and I seriously doubt that the ship has become unflyable, just it is not the overpowered beast it once was.

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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-10-28 16:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Good question, what is the role of the Svipul? Twisted

The nerf sounds not that bad (though I have not tested the new stats yet), but I'm a bit salty that Hecate and Jackdaw (with rig) are allowed to keep their instawarp while Svipul and Confessor got the mode switch trick removed without compensation. This together with the new scram vulnerability removes the potential as general purpose solo roaming ship in the era of infiniscrams.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2016-10-29 10:35:55 UTC
Chuck Lost wrote:
Hello
I am a new player too eve. I am not a new player to games have played since the first game systems hit the market.
I have been playing now for about 3 months and have spent money on the game and allot of time. That means I enjoy it.
as a new player I realized that I need to focus on a few ships due to the lack of skill points I have vs someone that has been here for years. So as a pvp ship I focused on trying to get all the skills to fly I svipul and fly it well enough to do something. I didn't know that they where considered op or whatever. So now I hear the ship is to be nerfed. And nerf so bad as to not be useful. So I ask what did I do deserve to be punished and have the time I just spent trying to get into this game taken away?
instead of nerfing you made the mistake not me "buff others". Doesn't it seem better to reward a bunch rather then punishing a few.

this is not to complaint I have played many games that nerf peoples classes.
Have u ever noticed after nerfs to peoples classes in all games those people seem to fade away and quit the game.
Ever seen a bunch of people quit a game after getting buffed.


You're literally arguing that the game should be left unblanced or else "those people" (we're perfectly well aware you're referring to yourself here) will quit in a huff.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-10-29 11:29:21 UTC
Chuck Lost wrote:
Hello
I am a new player too eve. I am not a new player to games have played since the first game systems hit the market.
I have been playing now for about 3 months and have spent money on the game and allot of time. That means I enjoy it.
as a new player I realized that I need to focus on a few ships due to the lack of skill points I have vs someone that has been here for years. So as a pvp ship I focused on trying to get all the skills to fly I svipul and fly it well enough to do something. I didn't know that they where considered op or whatever. So now I hear the ship is to be nerfed. And nerf so bad as to not be useful. So I ask what did I do deserve to be punished and have the time I just spent trying to get into this game taken away?
instead of nerfing you made the mistake not me "buff others". Doesn't it seem better to reward a bunch rather then punishing a few.

this is not to complaint I have played many games that nerf peoples classes.
Have u ever noticed after nerfs to peoples classes in all games those people seem to fade away and quit the game.
Ever seen a bunch of people quit a game after getting buffed.


Ship balancing is not a reward or a punishment. I cannot imagine the level of self entitlement that is required to think you are being punished by CCP while they are trying to balance the game and make it more playable and enjoyable for everyone.

At any rate, if history is any indicator, there will be a new FOTM. You can train for that.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Iain Cariaba
#8 - 2016-11-08 02:09:05 UTC
Chuck Lost wrote:
Hello
I am a new player too eve. I am not a new player to games have played since the first game systems hit the market.
I have been playing now for about 3 months and have spent money on the game and allot of time. That means I enjoy it.
as a new player I realized that I need to focus on a few ships due to the lack of skill points I have vs someone that has been here for years. So as a pvp ship I focused on trying to get all the skills to fly I svipul and fly it well enough to do something. I didn't know that they where considered op or whatever. So now I hear the ship is to be nerfed. And nerf so bad as to not be useful. So I ask what did I do deserve to be punished and have the time I just spent trying to get into this game taken away?
instead of nerfing you made the mistake not me "buff others". Doesn't it seem better to reward a bunch rather then punishing a few.

this is not to complaint I have played many games that nerf peoples classes.
Have u ever noticed after nerfs to peoples classes in all games those people seem to fade away and quit the game.
Ever seen a bunch of people quit a game after getting buffed.

Welcome to EvE.

That said, we have a boiler plate response here on the forums to posts like yours:

Can I have your stuff when you quit?