Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah dude, I'm a suicide ganker and even I can see that this idea is no good. Thanks for trying, though.

When I did solo highsec wardecs, I killed quite a few newbies. A couple of them dropped corp right after I killed them but most of them did not.

Now is it the fault of the ganker/war target in where the newbies are not prepared for ganks/wars? The answer is no for both. In regards to ganking, I do believe that something in the New Player Experience should bring the art of ganking up so they are aware of it. A brand new player just starting up would have no clue playing...unless he joins a player run corporation.

If the newbie is part of a player-run corporation and gets ganked or killed during a war, then it falls solely on the CEO of that bad corporation. You cannot comprehend how many kills I got just because the CEO did not prepare (or even tell) his members for the war that I declared on them. In one instance, I killed an afk Venture and pod 15 seconds after the war started. I sat 6km off of her while she mined while I was cloaked in a Hound waiting for the war to start for 12 minutes.

When I got a kill on a newbie, I always messaged them afterwards to see if they were made aware of the war. Not one knew about it, or what it even meant. I would send some isk their way to recoup their loss and give them tips about what happens during a war and how to protect themselves.

Is that my job as their enemy to tell them how to protect themselves? Most highsec corporations are full of fail, you know...if you don't believe me, look at the killboards of all the highsec merc alliances.


TL;DR: If the newbie is in a player-run corporation, it is the fault of the CEO they got ganked/killed in a war. Most highsec player corporations are BADLY run...

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Aha Hahahaha, oh God I needed that laugh OP.

CCP: hey guys wanna kill everyone in highsec and not worry about silky wardecs/Concord?
Extremely small minority: yeah buddy, let us elite pvp
CCP: just pay us 1 dollar and start shaving off those highsec subscriptions today!

Ahahahahaha

Wrong.

What was said was that:

1. Players who lost a ship illegally (i.e. were ganked) in their first 15 days played the longest.
2. Players who lost a ship legally (e.g. a war dec) in their first 15 days played second longest.
3. Players who did not lose a ship in their first 15 days played the shortest time.

As you can see, you claim that ganked players left quickly is not supported by the claims put forth by CCP.

Now, the analysis was not a definitive or comprehensive analysis of ganking, but it does point towards ganking not being the issue with regards to player retention at least early on for players.

Second CCP analysis contradicts exactly your claim that newbies who are ganked quit on the spot.

And you have no data, no analysis, but a load of made up Bravo Sierra.

Any player corp that brings in new players should tell them the following:

1. You will lose your ship.
2. You will eventually get podded.
3. Get used to it, this is EVE.
4. And keep in mind, you can shoot back. Heck you can even shoot first in various contexts.

I'm not sure I buy that interpretation of the stats. Those that were ganked were probably taking risks and most likely to stay in the game anyway, likewise for those engaging in wardecs. Those that didn't put themselves in those positions very possibly simply didn't like the game.

What would need to be published is the feedback from players who left the game as to why they did so. Anything else is speculation.

Note: I'm not arguing why people stay or leave, I'd just like the raw data, not interpretations of it.

Now you are making stuff up out of whole clothe vs. relying on what was stated in the presentation

One way or another, whether you believe in CCP's data or not, this idea in itself is utter garbage and absolutely redundant because we already have 4/5 of the game designated as areas where you can engage anything you like freely and without or just minor limitiations. There's no need to argue about it at all and doing so is wasted time. End of story. What's more annoying than the suggestion itself is that people keep getting this thread up to the top every day since it got moved here...

Remove faction police from highsec. <-5.0 Players could travel freely in highsec with their hard earned perma-pvp flags. They could engage eachother anywhere and be valid targets for the rest of highsec's population.

That would open highsec up to more violence without making it overly dangerous for those who don't wish to partake.