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leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#1 - 2012-01-18 11:36:59 UTC
CCP Recently Broke supers.

They are now useless for anything except ratting. What has replaced them is titan blobs.

Recently in the CSM Discussion (CSM WHO I DO NOT BELIVE REPRESENT THE BEST INTRESTS OF EVE) have come up with the idea of further nerfing supers.

This would be a stupid idea. Currently Titans need a nerf as they are overpowered and supers need a buff not another nerf taking away there imunity to EWAR would be tragic(It's bad enought that there useless already). It's bad enough that a single HIC has the ability to solo a super let alone have a falcon able to do the same job.

All of the current wave of nerfs do not tackle the real issue with these types of ships and that is blob warfare. Until this issue is resolved every capital in game is going to be hit with the nerf bat. as a player that loves to fly capitals i think this is a travisty.

CCP Need to stop listening the CSM who only seem to be in it for there own gain and listen to the players that play the game.
Cyzlaki
BRAWLS DEEP
HYPE-TRAIN
#2 - 2012-01-18 11:52:14 UTC
I would like to see Motherships make a comeback. This Super Carrier stuff is just lame.
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#3 - 2012-01-18 12:00:24 UTC
The only way to keep things in line and prevent extensive usage of ships is to make them less and less desirable the more powerful they become. Be it vulnerability to subcaps, lack of practical application or whatever. People will get them anyway as cost doesn't matter anymore in today's Eve. Just a while ago averybody and their mother used them and hotdropped Drakes, was that better than what we have now?
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-01-18 12:04:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit McJafitson
1. Gradually nerf supers to the point of complete uselessness.

2. Alter CSAAs to function as titan reprocessors.

3. Remove Supers from the game and gradually refund everyone's skillpoints to correct for the horrendous mistake that was made in introducing them in the first place because CCP assumed that they would be rare

Worried about the market having 1000 titans worth of minerals dumped on it? It may be painful, but maybe not so painful if CCP ban all mining bots around the same time, and changed the drone regions so that the rats dropped bounties! WHAT A MASTERSTROKE!

Game = Fixed.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-18 12:06:11 UTC
leich wrote:
It's bad enough that a single HIC has the ability to solo a super let alone have a falcon able to do the same job.


Oh boy.

Show me where a single HIC has soloed a supercarrier. Hint: it doesn't happen.

If you fly around in a faction battleship, a single Rifter can keep you tackled if he manages to keep transversal on you while his friends burn across space to murder you. That's how EVE is - even a Rifter can be dangerous. Supercapitals should not be an exception to that rule.

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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-01-18 12:28:28 UTC
There sure have been a lot of "wahhh can't solo pvp in my nyx anymore" threads recently.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-18 14:34:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
leich wrote:
It's bad enough that a single HIC has the ability to solo a super let alone have a falcon able to do the same job.


Oh boy.

Show me where a single HIC has soloed a supercarrier. Hint: it doesn't happen.

If you fly around in a faction battleship, a single Rifter can keep you tackled if he manages to keep transversal on you while his friends burn across space to murder you. That's how EVE is - even a Rifter can be dangerous. Supercapitals should not be an exception to that rule.

lol except Sup Caps are no longer solo pwnmobiles. Hint: They lost sub capital drone support, that means they need a fleet to watch their back. Thats a big ouch when facing superior numbers of smaller ships while solo in a cap ship, but if you bring titans in a blob plus it has support and its defeating your fleet of smaller ships its fine as is because OMG THEY ARE WORKING AS A TEAM! People working together in an MMO, who the funk would of though of something so stupid Shocked. Now instead of sub cap blob vs a single titan, its sub cap blob vs multiple titan blob and the titans should be kicking your ass because you failed to bring something of equal value (aka, many sub cap ships defeat a single titan BUT many titans should stop many sub cap ships).
Tore Vest
#8 - 2012-01-18 14:45:08 UTC
Ofc mittens and friends want to nerf supers...
Its the only thing stoping them from eve domination.. Bear

No troll.
leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#9 - 2012-01-18 15:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: leich
Why would you take a super when a moros put out 4 times the damage. Has better survivability and can kill sub caps.

Im not on about solo, supers are useless in gangs. and are so underpowered it's crazy.

There DPS is poor, they have no role currently

If you take away there Imunity to ewar and whats the point really?

im might aswell take a carrier or dread.

There has NEVER been an issue with solo supers the issue is big blobs of them. Wich has been replaced by titan blobs.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-18 15:23:19 UTC
Supercarriers excel at their role, which is the repeated application of bomber dps on the anal cavities of other capital ships and structures. That is what they are designed to do. Tracking titans are still looking for a bit of a nerf, they're supposed to be able to aggressively violate capitals and structures with the zeal of a supercarrier with the additional hitponts their 50 billion isk pricetag suggests.


A siege'd dread will NEVER put out more DPS than a proper supercarrier. EVER.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#11 - 2012-01-18 15:26:44 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Supercarriers excel at their role, which is the repeated application of bomber dps on the anal cavities of other capital ships and structures. That is what they are designed to do. Tracking titans are still looking for a bit of a nerf, they're supposed to be able to aggressively violate capitals and structures with the zeal of a supercarrier with the additional hitponts their 50 billion isk pricetag suggests.


A siege'd dread will NEVER put out more DPS than a proper supercarrier. EVER.



You sir have been drinking a moros puts out 19K DPS(with heat) a nyx puts out 10K. why would i risk 20bil super when i can take a moros.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-01-18 15:34:08 UTC
leich wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Supercarriers excel at their role, which is the repeated application of bomber dps on the anal cavities of other capital ships and structures. That is what they are designed to do. Tracking titans are still looking for a bit of a nerf, they're supposed to be able to aggressively violate capitals and structures with the zeal of a supercarrier with the additional hitponts their 50 billion isk pricetag suggests.


A siege'd dread will NEVER put out more DPS than a proper supercarrier. EVER.



You sir have been drinking a moros puts out 19K DPS(with heat) a nyx puts out 10K. why would i risk 20bil super when i can take a moros.



If you can make a moros do 19k dps, you are hacking. A properly fit moros can maybe hit 9.5K dps whilst sieged, and overheating. Overheating will give you 5 or so minutes of shooting, siege cycle is 10.

Now, whilst sieged, a dread cannot move, cannot jump, and really can't hit the broadside of a barn, so if a little interceptor decides to latch onto you, not a whole lot you can do. Supercarriers can put out 9-10k dps, still be aligned out, and are immune to anything but bubbles. Supers cannot be jammed, they cannot be tracking disrupted, they cannot be webbed.


They are a hell of a warhorse when taking down structures and capital fleets. You sir, are trolling.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#13 - 2012-01-18 15:36:39 UTC
Ban sub caps!

Bring on Capital and super expansions!

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#14 - 2012-01-18 15:49:45 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
leich wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Supercarriers excel at their role, which is the repeated application of bomber dps on the anal cavities of other capital ships and structures. That is what they are designed to do. Tracking titans are still looking for a bit of a nerf, they're supposed to be able to aggressively violate capitals and structures with the zeal of a supercarrier with the additional hitponts their 50 billion isk pricetag suggests.


A siege'd dread will NEVER put out more DPS than a proper supercarrier. EVER.



You sir have been drinking a moros puts out 19K DPS(with heat) a nyx puts out 10K. why would i risk 20bil super when i can take a moros.



If you can make a moros do 19k dps, you are hacking. A properly fit moros can maybe hit 9.5K dps whilst sieged, and overheating. Overheating will give you 5 or so minutes of shooting, siege cycle is 10.

Now, whilst sieged, a dread cannot move, cannot jump, and really can't hit the broadside of a barn, so if a little interceptor decides to latch onto you, not a whole lot you can do. Supercarriers can put out 9-10k dps, still be aligned out, and are immune to anything but bubbles. Supers cannot be jammed, they cannot be tracking disrupted, they cannot be webbed.


They are a hell of a warhorse when taking down structures and capital fleets. You sir, are trolling.


you sir have no idea what your on about i bet you cant even fly one!
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-01-18 15:50:56 UTC
Post a fit that can do 19k dps and we'll talk.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#16 - 2012-01-18 15:52:17 UTC
Just learn to use EFT it isnt hard to work out.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-18 16:01:56 UTC
Post it or walk away.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#18 - 2012-01-18 16:07:08 UTC
Im so fail at eve i cant even work out a fit for myself. lol
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-01-18 16:14:02 UTC
I'm going to take that as a "I was BS'ing everybody". You may apologize and return from whence you came at your leisure.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Eleonora Skye
Sushi Corp
#20 - 2012-01-18 16:32:23 UTC
leich wrote:
Im so fail at eve i cant even work out a fit for myself. lol


Indeed you are a fail, but most likely as a human being. You are just pathetic, period.
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