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It’s (the CSM part of the minutes) basically a manifesto from 0.0 aristocrats wanting their cake and eating it too:

1. cloak detection ships (“wah we are terrified by AFK cloakers in our ratting systems”)

2. Dockable Super-carriers (“we want to play docking game with them”)

3. Shootable NPC station services (“we want to trump pvp with numbers - as usual)”

4. No targets for small gangs (“it would be terrible if playing skill actually mattered”)

5. FW as a test bed for 0.0 Sov (“we want them to grind structures too”)

6. “Spool-up” on jump timer (“we hate getting ganked by smaller groups”)

7. Infipoints on supercarriers (“we hate using subcaps because they are killable”)

8. Vs Supercapital systems on EAS (“because the non 0.0 blob game is irrelevant”)

9. “There is huge opposition to removing local chat” (“it’ll stop our bot scripts working”)

10. “nobody cares about corp logos” (we don’t so therefore nobody else does”)

11. “People would gladly fork out a (MT) fee for alliance logos” (“I tax my plebs for plexes”)

Now into this comes the outpost destruction proposal (which I like of course) but it’s being suggested partially to leverage ability to mess with NPC stations I think. *shrugs* ah well, let the damn things burn – I don’t mind the firesale contract idea or the relocation to npc station idea – but it would probably be best to let them be a smoking wreck where the original owners could access their hangers from space.

On FW/Lowsec the CSM is clueless really. What Lowsec needs is more interesting mechanics for pirates and pirate hunters and ideally an expansion of FW that makes it more interesting to a wider range of people. Being able to declare “against” a faction or being able to support specific pirate factions against empires would enrich the universe immensely (maybe subdivide all of lowsec into particular conflict zones). Unique resource and capabilities for lowsec? True impact of FW occupation all good. New options equipment/ships built around piracy and anti piracy and lowsec professions. Yes please.

Bah to be honest.

What’s positive about the minutes is that CCP seemed genuinely positive and open to new ideas and they were also coming up with good suggestions.

What’s bad about the minutes is how obvious the CSM has become a vehicle for specific narrow interest groups who know nothing about large parts of the game and care less.

What it shows is that any fringe mentalist voting bloc is an unhealthy thing to dominate a political forum. Eve Online needs a CSM with more balanced opinions and a wider knowledge of the game as a whole.

I think voting reform needs to go up the agenda and we need to find a way to ensure that 0.0 alliance bloc voting is never allowed to dominate the message as much as it has on this CSM in the future.

ok, cool and thanks for the reply.

There was some formatting :insert technobabble here: going on - I cleaned it up and there is now a searchable version up (and you can select text from it as well!).

I would love to see this video or images of this as well.

That was what? 3 or 4 years ago? Times change, and I doubt you'd find much support (even less strong support) for alliances in FW amongst the FW community now. The only positive thing that could be taken from it is shared war decs. Everything else is negative.

Also it doesn't matter who came up with the election idea, the idea itself has no relation to what FW is now or what most of us in it believe it should be.

Just wanted to say I read all 44 pages.

+1
Can't tell it better so just wanna quote these to explanation of why this idea about wh stabilizer could be a very bad move. Rather do something with the actual wh would probably be better then giving this power to the players. Maybe add some more mass/time to specific types of wormholes instead?

Class 7 wormholes for the win!

Oh, I think people would be fine with Alliances entering into FW. They simply don't want existing 0.0 power blochs dominating it with their own personal (non-empire related) agenda.

I think that one prerequisite for an alliance to take part in FW would be that the alliance in question could not have sov in any 0.0 territory, although alt alliances could easily be created. Of course, alt alliances have an interesting way of developing their own agenda's after awhile independent of their original affiliations.

The proposal was to use FW to help develop a more workable SOV system than what we currently have. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, I view it as a priority that the ability to affect SOV and perhaps the security status of low sec systems in the name of the various empires (and possibly other factions) becomes a realtiy.

Claiming low sec systems should have advantages, having them taken should have disadvantages, and the changes should be fairly significant to the territorial landscape of EVE.

As in CCP is working on data that is 4 years out of date. That's encouraging. What business in the world can afford to work off information that's 4 years out of date? Seriously, how is CCP even above water still?

bots - If they can confirm someone is a bot there is banhammer on the way - no need for player to kill them.

Drake - i think drake is so veralite not because of it huge tank, but because it can fit ton of tank/utility in their mid slot. Solution - reduce CPU on drake