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The ahole, the troll and the scammer – an Eve phenomenon?

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Sameli Adelora
Celestial Industrial Supplies
Templis Strategic Division
#21 - 2016-10-24 01:50:45 UTC
I've played a lot of mmos all of them have trash talkers, leets, a**holes, and a few scammers. Eve by far beats them all on the scammer part. And Eve has its fair share of all the others but Eve is the only game I have ever played where the scammers, a**holes, trash talkers , and the leet make the game better.
TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#22 - 2016-10-24 02:34:31 UTC
Pretentious, class obsessed and way too deep a dig into excrement laced philosophy. Hell, it's a game, lets play.

Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#23 - 2016-10-24 06:38:52 UTC
I have always wondered exactly the same thing, there is such a thing as "community reputation" problem is you are talking people, there are many people with stuff going on in their heads much of it hidden by the fact that in RL this behavior is not tolerated by in large by most society, the basic psychology of people is they still have many traits of our ape ancestors, greed, want of power, fear.

Then add to that, that many people exhibit traits of mania's, anyway don't want to start up, because this subject always gets deep.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-10-24 07:27:06 UTC
To live your char in Eve is like living in a max security prison,the ones you see in TV documentaries, but without guards....
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#25 - 2016-10-24 09:12:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Because it's a game.

Because peole like to roleplay the a-hole.

You could compare it to an artistic expression and a stress-relief from the RL routine.

And because you too, signed up for it.

Welcome to the EvE phenomenon.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#26 - 2016-10-24 13:59:45 UTC
Almost all scams exploit the greed of people who think they're the one who's going to be fleecing some poor chump. I can hardly think of a less morally suspect way of making ones living in game.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lasisha Mishi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2016-10-24 14:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasisha Mishi
part of the appeal to EVE is your free to do whatever you want


do you want to murder people in highsec? do it
do you want to scam people who aren't careful? do it
do you want to infiltrate a corp, spy on them, steal all their stuff, screw them over? do it (and make an article so we can all enjoy the story)

do you want to troll? do it



EVE is where you can be what you want to be. its a game where the rules are made and upheld in game by players (and concord in high sec cause players acting as police is alot of waiting around for nothing)


SWTOR and other games are scared of hurting peoples feelings or making their customers mad. cause they not confident their players will stay or not.

EVE's appeal is the reason players are here. If people aren't allowed to scam, or kill people in high sec(with concord getting revenge), or spy, steal, betray, etc.
then whats the point of EVE?





yes stuff like the olivia scam are fking awful.

but its that kind of thing that leads to interesting stories that attract people to EVE. as the fallout of it creates distrust, betrayals, wars, etc.

(or for me. PROFIT. seriously if this olivia scam creates a war in game. i'm gonna find a way to profit from it.)






What i'm gettign at, is Scams, high sec ganking(with concord revenge), spying, theft, and so on are what make EVE what it is.

IF CCP try to turn EVE into a carebear game where "hurting" or "offending" other people is punishable.....then EVE will die.

and this is coming from a carebear(aka me) who likes EVE for what it is.
but then again, i've grown to expect scams, ganks ,betrayals and so on. and enjoy them(by turning them to my own benefit)
Big Lynx
#28 - 2016-10-24 14:29:00 UTC
@Laisha

ty for your comment. interesting perspective though.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#29 - 2016-10-24 15:44:57 UTC
Lasisha Mishi wrote:

and this is coming from a carebear(aka me) who likes EVE for what it is.
but then again, i've grown to expect scams, ganks ,betrayals and so on. and enjoy them(by turning them to my own benefit)


You aren't alone, despite how people on this forum love to think otherwise, many of us are not pvp junkies looking for easy kills or scammers/gankers/awoxxers/whatevers looking to screw over people, we are well adjusted carebears who realize that all those 'bad guy' things they rail against and that we don't care to personally participate in are the things that still make our own game experiences valuable.

When CCP has repeatedly tried to nerf the bad guys, all they've done is drain value from the people who like to play as cleaver "turn the tables on them" good guys. For example, before all those safeties and pop ups, you could do some funny/nasty things to people who tried to can-bait you. Not there pretty much aren't any, the art of the rebound flip is lost...
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2016-10-24 18:50:12 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Well, I’ve been around a certain time in this universe of Eve. I met a lot of people, who became very good long-year friends, even outside of the game. I am a human being who interacts open-minded and always friendly to everyone new I meet up in game and/or in real-life, due to my education and social environment I assume. If the opposite human being is just rude, has an unhealthy amount of egoism and is not capable to form arguments to a specific topic and tends to initiate some kind of quarrel (without any sense of humour, besides his own), i try to be calm and if I can’t see and end or a solution, I go away and stop to meet or talk to those individals.

I played different MMOs like SWTOR and GW2 for quite long time and the fact, that there is no (allowed) form of scam in those games existant, leads me to the deduction, that the concentration of dubious and shady individals in Eve is significantly higher compared to other MMOs.

[Don’t get me wrong: I love the special kind of sarcasm and trashtalk in eve. The meme-wars and salt-extraction, all positioned in a „healthy“ sandbox without spilling out the sand of it.]

So, one of my question to you is: Being a scammer, using exploits, being rude to other people = ahole = causality or correlation?.
It’s just my personal evaluation of recent and last years scandals in this game, plus certain negative-minded individals that I met though out my entire Eve Career.

Would those assumptions mean, that Eve attracts people who like to be the a-hole in real-life and want to intensify this habit in a virtual world?
The argument „those are children playing just a computer game and want tob e funny“ is weak, because 80% of ppl I came across are in their late 20s or plus 30s and older.

How would Eve develop if CCP bans any form of scamming on 8th November? It’s just that, sometimes I feel a bit sorry for CCP because they have to deal with that increasing kind of self-comitted load on themselves (because Eve is a harsh and cold world), like the recent example of the so-called „I am Olivia“-scam.

Discuss..


I just wanted to say thanks for the awesome thread on FHC. You've no idea how much I treasure those, and it was a sterling example of its kind.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#31 - 2016-10-24 23:55:48 UTC
I'm exactly like my character IRL, except I'm black, and my monocle is on the left.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Maja Chou
#32 - 2016-10-25 13:22:37 UTC
hey just give that promised Vargur and maybee one Person will be less ahole or troll to you? What?

oh and what Goe Rilla wrote and Lasisha Mishi and Lucy Lollipops and the one on the first page who mentioned in all games are the same people.
Maybee in RL and other Situations they could be nice friends and would you drink some beer with them?

who knows

Da die auf Schildwall vorhandenen Informationen nur einen minimalen Einfluss auf das Endergebnis der Neuspielererfahrung von EVE als ganzes gehabt hätten,habe ich beschlossen, die Informationen so zu belassen, wie CCP sie zu liefern in der Lage ist.
Anthar Thebess
#33 - 2016-10-25 13:54:42 UTC
Posted by Big Lynx.
Priceless.

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Big Lynx
#34 - 2016-10-25 13:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Lynx
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Posted by Big Lynx.
Priceless.

The irony? I was bored brah vOv

however, this topic still remains interesting.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#35 - 2016-10-25 19:14:36 UTC
Throw me in the bucket of not seeing the correlation, as the OP has described it.

I play (active accounts) SWTOR and WoW along with EVE. There are plenty of jerks in both those. There are also scammers in both but not in the open sense that EVE has because of the potential punishments. EVE does have its form of punishments as well.

Being a jerk, a scammer or whatever is possible in EVE but I've actually found those folks to be about as rare to run across as they are in other MMO's I've played or tried.

I think the person that bugs me the most is the one that is capable of changing their stripes on a whim. I'm not saying people need to be predictable but even if you're role-playing a toon you have all laid out and suddenly that toon starts doing things opposite of how they were designed or out of character, normally for some perceived benefit, that is what I'm not fond of.

As long as you are true to yourself, your created character, or whatever, go ahead and be a jerk or scammer. I can deal with that. It bugs me when the jerks think they can play suddenly nice people and they wonder why they aren't trusted.

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2016-10-26 04:32:06 UTC
This is a bait thread. We've all seen twitter and facebook drama. Eve is not special.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
ISD Fractal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#37 - 2016-10-26 14:01:56 UTC
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Raven Ship
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-10-26 14:47:40 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Well, I’ve been around a certain time in this universe of Eve. I met a lot of people, who became very good long-year friends, even outside of the game. I am a human being who interacts open-minded and always friendly to everyone new I meet up in game and/or in real-life, due to my education and social environment I assume. If the opposite human being is just rude, has an unhealthy amount of egoism and is not capable to form arguments to a specific topic and tends to initiate some kind of quarrel (without any sense of humour, besides his own), i try to be calm and if I can’t see and end or a solution, I go away and stop to meet or talk to those individals.

I played different MMOs like SWTOR and GW2 for quite long time and the fact, that there is no (allowed) form of scam in those games existant, leads me to the deduction, that the concentration of dubious and shady individals in Eve is significantly higher compared to other MMOs.

[Don’t get me wrong: I love the special kind of sarcasm and trashtalk in eve. The meme-wars and salt-extraction, all positioned in a „healthy“ sandbox without spilling out the sand of it.]

So, one of my question to you is: Being a scammer, using exploits, being rude to other people = ahole = causality or correlation?.
It’s just my personal evaluation of recent and last years scandals in this game, plus certain negative-minded individals that I met though out my entire Eve Career.

Would those assumptions mean, that Eve attracts people who like to be the a-hole in real-life and want to intensify this habit in a virtual world?
The argument „those are children playing just a computer game and want tob e funny“ is weak, because 80% of ppl I came across are in their late 20s or plus 30s and older.

How would Eve develop if CCP bans any form of scamming on 8th November? It’s just that, sometimes I feel a bit sorry for CCP because they have to deal with that increasing kind of self-comitted load on themselves (because Eve is a harsh and cold world), like the recent example of the so-called „I am Olivia“-scam.

Discuss..



Last time I checked EULA, there been part about violating of gamespirit , and what would be understandable fairplay, what is point of any game, else it can not call itself a game.

So looking at this from such perspective, ccp should be handling those scammers, griefers, trolls(again definition of someone incompetent who hope to cover that fact by laughing off others), yet, they did not for there hidden reasons, other than being lazy <-- irony.

That had bring eve to where it is, with other online games like wow, lol, and many others being "user friendly" mainly to new folks, what turns in insane large playerbase for them, and opposite to eve, game with hella lot content and huge sandbox interaction model( not unique as eve weren't first), and this is supricing for me, why gm policy can be so much against growth.

What you write about now, bans after 8th november, can be huge shock for all those gone/code and other tools unhealthy players, and after there tears all over place and in every possible form, may generate even more of unhealthy atmosphere for new players.
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#39 - 2016-10-26 19:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Jerr
Big Lynx wrote:
Would those assumptions mean, that Eve attracts people who like to be the a-hole in real-life and want to intensify this habit in a virtual world?

I don't think so (look at UO for ex). It's just in Eve you can play good and/or bad people, even switch to each type in the same game session. There aren't any corridor to follow, so to speak, or a role to keep until you die.
The "harsh" thing exists because of the freedom you have in game, not because so called a-holes are in game.
I'm a lowbear and never seen someone pretty bad humanly speaking, even among the pirates because we all play roles.

Big Lynx wrote:

The argument „those are children playing just a computer game and want tob e funny“ is weak, because 80% of ppl I came across are in their late 20s or plus 30s and older.

For the 20 or 30 or 40 like me, a game is a game, and fun is fun. So yup, adults want some escaping from this ****** world we live in, which is really screwed up, and harsh, not through a pixel game.

Don't forget that there are also people ready to insult you and make death threat because their virtual spacecraft has been blown up.

I always think that this a-hole community is just a marketing element used by CCP to sell its niche, nothing else.
Lasisha Mishi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2016-10-26 19:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasisha Mishi
Raven Ship wrote:


So looking at this from such perspective, ccp should be handling those scammers, griefers, trolls(again definition of someone incompetent who hope to cover that fact by laughing off others), yet, they did not for there hidden reasons, other than being lazy <-- irony.

uh........keep in mind "griefers" can go by another name. gankers.

and "trolls" can go by another name. bumpers.

so its not them being lazy. its that if they took action vs "griefers and trolls" then that would basically kill any pvp in highsec


and for scammers...thats part of the eve experience. "the universe is yours". if they want to scam. they can do so. if someone falls for it, sweet.
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