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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#21 - 2016-10-25 15:23:45 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

You know I think the same thing about hunting minors...



Whoa!

That's like FBI IllegalLol

--Gadget recognizing a Stranger Danger

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-10-25 15:24:46 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Far as I am concerned, mining is basically fishing. Something to do to unwind, not exactly something I want to do full time every day all day.

Bring friends. And alcohol. Lots of alcohol.

You know I think the same thing about hunting minors...


Shocked

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#23 - 2016-10-25 15:29:00 UTC
MINERS !
HUNTING MINERS !
god damn smart phone.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#24 - 2016-10-25 15:31:47 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time?


What if...your mental furniture wasn't trucked in by Hollywood and arranged by happenstance?




Well I guess I should read more then huh? I mean most were books before Hollywood ever got a hold of them. Maybe I should read some nonfiction too? Maybe some TED talks here and there? Or would the news be better? Would you advise FOX or CNN, BBC or CBC, maybe Al Jazeera?

But you still didnt answer the question Chopper. But then maybe you just dont want to.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#25 - 2016-10-25 15:33:32 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
When I made Gadget it was in preparation for the about-to-be-released Industry makeover a few years back. However what makes her different from other toons that I've made is a restriction that I voluntarily placed on her:

Gadget can only use what she creates herself, obtains with LP, or finds while ratting.

So far I've only broken that restriction twice. Once was to give her an MTU three days after she was created, and the second was to give her an old Procurer after an alt upgraded to a Skiff.

Now, Gadget can pretty much make more things than she can fly, and because of her restrictions, she became a bit of a module pack-rat. The restriction is still there, though has less meaning other than it made replaying the game interesting.

--Gadget

Thank you Gadget. That was what I was looking for.Big smile

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Lasisha Mishi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2016-10-25 16:00:15 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
We know that Eve is more simple the second, third or more times through it. Mistakes arent made that were made initially and the scaling of skilling, isk, etc are much more efficient as one goes on.

But....


What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time? What if we could, after character creation and placement with all the starting skills, wipe our minds but only of Eve?

This would mean you could place yourself into the best or worst positions in Eve again and again but with the added twist that it WOULD be completely new for you.

What paths would you take if you could do this? Would you do the same path and truly min/max it and then afterwards tabulate the variances? Would you try different things? Would you purposefully make yourself the worst off you could to give yourself a challenge (this would have worked much better with the old attributes from bloodlines)? Would you simply play "god" and make yourself uber leet in every facet? Would you supply yourself with personal "cheats" so that you could benefit? Or even personal failsafes?


Heh enjoy the thought idea of my day in relation to this lovely game.Big smile

hm........

i can't say i'd do anything differently from what i have.

well....other than put my character in the Caldari State.....(though thats iffy cause i LOVE my character model right now. 3 tries in the caldari character creator failed to make one i liked. ironic it would be Amarr.....)
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#27 - 2016-10-25 22:18:08 UTC
Well, if I didn't know ANYTHING about my first experience, then obviously I wouldn't change a thing since it was utterly wiped from my brain and I actually approached EVE pretty rationally.

If you're asking what advice I'd give an utter newbie, that's an entirely different question.

8 Golden Rules of EVE • EVE is entirely PvP
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2016-10-26 00:00:27 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time?


What if...your mental furniture wasn't trucked in by Hollywood and arranged by happenstance?




Well I guess I should read more then huh? I mean most were books before Hollywood ever got a hold of them. Maybe I should read some nonfiction too? Maybe some TED talks here and there? Or would the news be better? Would you advise FOX or CNN, BBC or CBC, maybe Al Jazeera?

But you still didnt answer the question Chopper. But then maybe you just dont want to.


Where you source the contents of your head is entirely up to you.
If ideas and questions that spring from there are so derivative that you cry out to be hazed, there's no sense in trying to turn it around.
The matrix and the heresy of the Cathars, a Manichean worldview mixed up with reincarnation, informed by video games. Yeesh.
What would i do differently if i started again knowing nothing?
Come on.






Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#29 - 2016-10-26 00:26:00 UTC
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Well, if I didn't know ANYTHING about my first experience, then obviously I wouldn't change a thing since it was utterly wiped from my brain and I actually approached EVE pretty rationally.

If you're asking what advice I'd give an utter newbie, that's an entirely different question.

No, not looking for newbie advice. Just if you could what would you do differently. Basically its the same question people ask in real life to themselves: if I could would I live my life the same or differently knowing what I know now? Thats all it is.Big smile

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Sameli Adelora
Celestial Industrial Supplies
Templis Strategic Division
#30 - 2016-10-26 02:58:43 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
[quote=Eternus8lux8lucis] Stuff

Stuff

Mining sucks.


Mining doesnt completely suck. Only the part about the mining really. Everything else is pretty much somewhat partially tolerable when drunk or mid self-lobotomy with a slightly sharpened plastic spork.

I would rather have Rosie O'Donnell sit on my face after taking a box of Ex-Lax than have to mine.[/quote]



Mining isn't that bad!!
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#31 - 2016-10-26 10:58:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaxon Grylls
Sameli Adelora wrote:

I would rather have Rosie O'Donnell sit on my face after taking a box of Ex-Lax than have to mine.

Then don't do it.

Just because mining is not for you think of where the game would be without it.
Personally I find it handy. I do the maximum amount of R&D and it's much more convenient to mine some veldspar, refine it and pre-position the Tritanium at my R&D agents stations.

It's a dirty job but someone has to do it.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#32 - 2016-10-26 11:39:16 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
We know that Eve is more simple the second, third or more times through it. Mistakes arent made that were made initially and the scaling of skilling, isk, etc are much more efficient as one goes on.

But....


What if we, as humans in the real world, could reenter the matrix of the Eve world anew each time? What if we could, after character creation and placement with all the starting skills, wipe our minds but only of Eve?

This would mean you could place yourself into the best or worst positions in Eve again and again but with the added twist that it WOULD be completely new for you.

What paths would you take if you could do this? Would you do the same path and truly min/max it and then afterwards tabulate the variances? Would you try different things? Would you purposefully make yourself the worst off you could to give yourself a challenge (this would have worked much better with the old attributes from bloodlines)? Would you simply play "god" and make yourself uber leet in every facet? Would you supply yourself with personal "cheats" so that you could benefit? Or even personal failsafes?


Heh enjoy the thought idea of my day in relation to this lovely game.Big smile


I love the psychology question. If you could wipe all my experience as Lulu Lunette and have me start over on a totally brand new toon, would I be .. the same? I consider Lulu Lunette to be the mask I wear in the game and I mostly play as 'myself' like what I would do in her situation. So yes, I think if I had my memory wiped I would end up down a similar road to what made Lulu what she is today. Smile

Having said that, if I started Eve Online today, I would be a whole brand new person with much less time on their hands and I think I would be a high risk for that new player retention statistic. (my original trial was this) I think it's a very smart move on CCP to go to a F2P model because I was very reluctant myself to pay after my second trial (Lulu) . There was some very critical moments I like to blame for my still being here in those first few weeks P And not only have I discovered Eve Online but I'm ridiculously hooked to Twitter more than I ever used to be, because it's so much more fun behind an alias.

I don't know how much of a noob I'd want to be again. Just look at my early PI setups for example. wtf was I doing?

I kind of wonder if maybe you feel trapped in your main? Lots of people seem to want to escape not only their RL but also their ingame responsibilities. Do you wish you were someone else? P

@lunettelulu7
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#33 - 2016-10-26 12:04:09 UTC
Well people can have fun in this game. Mining to me is so damn boring and doesn't even require two brain cells to do.

Now I do like the miner ganking though, that is some fun right there but CCP continues to nerfbat it with Thor's Hammer on a continual basis just because miners are lazy and want their hand held instead of actually paying attention to what is going on around them.

All they have to do is follow a few simple rules and they won't get ganked again. Rules are hard though!
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#34 - 2016-10-26 14:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadget Helmsdottir
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Well people can have fun in this game. Mining to me is so damn boring and doesn't even require two brain cells to do.

Now I do like the miner ganking though, that is some fun right there but CCP continues to nerfbat it with Thor's Hammer on a continual basis just because miners are lazy and want their hand held instead of actually paying attention to what is going on around them.

All they have to do is follow a few simple rules and they won't get ganked again. Rules are hard though!


Starting to sound that you've transferred your hate of mining to the miners themselves...

If you're gonna shoot an oh-so-innocent miner, at least do so with a smile, and not with anger in your heart.
Though, cold-hearted ISK reasons work just as well... Blink


--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#35 - 2016-10-26 15:36:32 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Well people can have fun in this game. Mining to me is so damn boring and doesn't even require two brain cells to do.

Now I do like the miner ganking though, that is some fun right there but CCP continues to nerfbat it with Thor's Hammer on a continual basis just because miners are lazy and want their hand held instead of actually paying attention to what is going on around them.

All they have to do is follow a few simple rules and they won't get ganked again. Rules are hard though!

Well I had the fight of my EVE career only a couple of weeks ago, and I was mining. Admittedly in lo-sec and I should have warped farther away than I did, but no complaints. And I nearly won and gave my opponent a run for his money with only 5 Hornet 2s and my trusty Procurer.

YMMV of course but you can get a bit of excitement, as I did, if you are lucky.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-10-27 00:48:16 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Well people can have fun in this game. Mining to me is so damn boring and doesn't even require two brain cells to do.

Now I do like the miner ganking though, that is some fun right there but CCP continues to nerfbat it with Thor's Hammer on a continual basis just because miners are lazy and want their hand held instead of actually paying attention to what is going on around them.

All they have to do is follow a few simple rules and they won't get ganked again. Rules are hard though!


Starting to sound that you've transferred your hate of mining to the miners themselves...

If you're gonna shoot an oh-so-innocent miner, at least do so with a smile, and not with anger in your heart.
Though, cold-hearted ISK reasons work just as well... Blink


--Gadget

I guess you are right. The people who have been screaming for ganking nerfs have been the miners, and the nerfs have gotten out of hand. The next logical choice is just to make mining ships invulnerable in their eyes.

Hence, the invulnerability field from Rorqs. Roll

Come on, CCP...throw us people who want to create content a bone or something...it has gotten to the point of being just plain stupid.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#37 - 2016-10-27 01:45:53 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
*snip*

I love the psychology question. If you could wipe all my experience as Lulu Lunette and have me start over on a totally brand new toon, would I be .. the same? I consider Lulu Lunette to be the mask I wear in the game and I mostly play as 'myself' like what I would do in her situation. So yes, I think if I had my memory wiped I would end up down a similar road to what made Lulu what she is today. Smile

Having said that, if I started Eve Online today, I would be a whole brand new person with much less time on their hands and I think I would be a high risk for that new player retention statistic. (my original trial was this) I think it's a very smart move on CCP to go to a F2P model because I was very reluctant myself to pay after my second trial (Lulu) . There was some very critical moments I like to blame for my still being here in those first few weeks P And not only have I discovered Eve Online but I'm ridiculously hooked to Twitter more than I ever used to be, because it's so much more fun behind an alias.

I don't know how much of a noob I'd want to be again. Just look at my early PI setups for example. wtf was I doing?

I kind of wonder if maybe you feel trapped in your main? Lots of people seem to want to escape not only their RL but also their ingame responsibilities. Do you wish you were someone else? P

Well it would be starting over with the one cavet being that you can add in knowledge, think reincarnation with or without knowledge of your past life, failsafes etc. But thank you for answering this so I shall answer you.Big smile

No I dont feel trapped in my main. Years ago in the early days of Eve I was faced with a decision that most of my corpmates and friends were making. Their mains were becoming known and the idea of training an alt, even on the same account, to be able to do things with was there to "hide" in a fashion. It has since become standard to use alts to rehunt the same prey until they realize it is still you or you have to move hunting grounds which is also why you see people corp hopping a lot looking for gud fights and such entertainment. It was the same with the T2 BPO stuff. Choices you make in game determine a lot of things. Playing for fun rather than isk piles was my choice there.

So I didnt hide and choose to readily make it easy to find me in game. ET is just my forum/talker and though he is my SP main is just another character to me. My RL is rather boring actually but I dont escape into Eve because of it. I have a life I dont need a vacation from in that sense. I play games. I have since I was young all manner of sports and now I play Eve and rather enjoy it until I will find something else to do that drives me and I go yeaaaah too. In that regard Eve was quite the sleeper game.What? I initially left years ago thinking Id never return and gave my character away to a friend and then came back and have been back ever since.

Okay now that personal drivel is out of the way... I talk to much...Lol

These questions are more because of a psych background as well as a religious tone to it. The idea of immortality is something inherent in the gaming world. The idea of hitting the reset button or like in Eve we die but we dont actually die. In real life death is an important psychological motivator for actions. Being freed from that ideology in game means we take risks and do things we wouldnt do in RL and this makes me ponder and think along these lines and ends up in questions such as this one.

This one is about reincarnation with or without knowledge. Would you want to know? What would you want to know? And of course why would you want to know that specifically all tucked into an Eve platform because here we CAN do this and can ponder it better as we understand alts better than we understand esoteric and ambiguous ideas like the hereafter.Blink Ends up easier to answer in some form.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
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