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Trying to become an "abolitionist" in EVE.

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Jilani Sklor
Constellation Explorer's Group
#1 - 2016-10-25 04:57:06 UTC
Finished the tutorial agent missions (or atleast the initial ones I saw, I still have more to do) getting a grasp of the game and looking at a few videos I figured out what I want to do / be!

I want to free slaves from the clutches of !! Its what gravitated me towards picking my race (Minmatar)

Are slaves just a *good* or do they actually do anything in EVE?

I was thinking about trying to roleplay my character to be a bit of a *freedom fighter* that goes around amarr space *freeing* slaves, but from what I've gathered you can't actually do that in this game :/.

I would imagine though, that they're Minmater missions that involve freeing slaves and even MAYBE? hopefully a series of missions that allow me to do so.

So here is my question(s)

Are slaves just a *trade good* do they actually serve any other purpose?
Are there any "Minmatar freeing slaves" oriented missions? If they exist, what are they?
Are *Free Slaves* illegal goods that would be checked by concord / police?
Are *Slaves* legal in Amarr space like they are supposed to be lore wise?

I want to try to run free slaves that are in Amarr space to Minmatar space, then run NPC missions (or if I find players smuggling slaves) that are oriented around rescuing the slaves.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#2 - 2016-10-25 06:18:43 UTC
1) that's pretty much it
2) there's some random missions in that regard but you can't specifically focus on them
3) check info on them, if the window has a legality tab then they are illegal somewhere. In this case, no
4) see #3, legal in Amarr space, illegal outside it

EVE is a player driven pvp focussed sandbox, it's not really much of a PVE game as such. You CAN try run missions, hope you get the right ones and RP that way. You could also create your own narrative and play style and then involve others in it.

My old mains were Amarr and I would wardec corporations in Amarr space that weren't lead by an Amarrian or didn't have a majority of Amarrian players in it in a "you're trespassing, get off my land" kind of way but way more elaborate ofcourse. Was quite entertaining because Amarr are the typical white privileged baby boomer ass swipes who own all the land and hate everyone, especially people they don't know. Hilarious to RP.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#3 - 2016-10-25 08:15:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Do Little
Slaves provide a reason for Amarr and Minmatar to be at war and one of the best ways to role play that conflict is through faction warfare http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Factional_Warfare

Career agents for Republic Military School are in Hadaugago.
Next step after completing the career missions, especially if you are interested in the lore is the SOE Epic Arc http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

The lore team have been polishing the image of the Amarr empire for a while now - not sure why, and we now have a business woman in the top job. Even with the primitive automation technology we have here on Earth, slavery makes no economic sense and I think it's a safe assumption that the empires of New Eden are well beyond us in robotics.

On the other hand, we need conflict drivers so I doubt emancipation is in the works even if it would be cheaper and more efficient to use automation!

Edit: Removed "." from end of faction warfare link
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-10-25 09:43:39 UTC
There are alliances that role play in Eve.

http://eve-history.net/wiki/index.php/Ushra'Khan

Ushra'Khan is one such alliance. My main is in a corp that is blue to the Provi block which is lead by CVA. CVA are Amarr loyalists and CVA and Ushra'Khan do butt heads over slavery. I once set up a PoS in Matar low sec and had it taken down by Ushra'Khan for "supporting slavery".

So if you want to fight against slavery it can be done just make sure you have enough duct tape to put the rusty, wingy bits back together.

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Jilani Sklor
Constellation Explorer's Group
#5 - 2016-10-25 10:25:54 UTC
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
1) that's pretty much it
2) there's some random missions in that regard but you can't specifically focus on them
3) check info on them, if the window has a legality tab then they are illegal somewhere. In this case, no
4) see #3, legal in Amarr space, illegal outside it

EVE is a player driven pvp focussed sandbox, it's not really much of a PVE game as such. You CAN try run missions, hope you get the right ones and RP that way. You could also create your own narrative and play style and then involve others in it.

My old mains were Amarr and I would wardec corporations in Amarr space that weren't lead by an Amarrian or didn't have a majority of Amarrian players in it in a "you're trespassing, get off my land" kind of way but way more elaborate ofcourse. Was quite entertaining because Amarr are the typical white privileged baby boomer ass swipes who own all the land and hate everyone, especially people they don't know. Hilarious to RP.



I'm a pvp minded person :), but I don't think people actually run slaves to and from different places in EVE for profit so I figured RPing that specifically couldn't be the focus.

Adding the PvE element I figured would allow me to have something I can do day to day, and still make a little isk off of it. Especially if I still keep to the idea of buying up all free slaves I can from Amarr space, then taking them to Minmatar Space..


ergherhdfgh wrote:

There are alliances that role play in Eve.

http://eve-history.net/wiki/index.php/Ushra'Khan

Ushra'Khan is one such alliance. My main is in a corp that is blue to the Provi block which is lead by CVA. CVA are Amarr loyalists and CVA and Ushra'Khan do butt heads over slavery. I once set up a PoS in Matar low sec and had it taken down by Ushra'Khan for "supporting slavery".

So if you want to fight against slavery it can be done just make sure you have enough duct tape to put the rusty, wingy bits back together.


This is moreso what I'm leaning towards, I will have to look into this! I'm still new to the game but
-how was it taken down? by players?
-(probably a dumb question) is that alliance player controlled? or is that a NPC based thing)
-I guess PoS doesn't stand for piece of **** **** here :) what does it stand for?


@Do Little, Your factional warfare link is broken :/ I do want to find more information on that.
I've actually finished all of the ones for Hadaugago, the other ones that are available to me are in different schools (and seem to be the same as the ones I just finished)
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-10-25 12:11:17 UTC
PoS = Player Owned Station.

Yes Ushra'Kahn is a player operated corporation. Contact them for more information if you are interested.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#7 - 2016-10-25 13:47:06 UTC
dont forget the Angel Cartel also embrace slavery Big smile

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#8 - 2016-10-25 14:18:34 UTC
Queen Jamyl Emancipated the slaves already, or at least all Minmatar slaves of 9th generation and up. While this has not been addressed much, I'm pretty sure it was one of the motivations behind her Assassination.

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Even with the primitive automation technology we have here on Earth, slavery makes no economic sense and I think it's a safe assumption that the empires of New Eden are well beyond us in robotics.


We all have to make sacrifices to follow the path God set before us. Reclaiming the lesser races and nursing them back into the fold of God, while having them make proper repentance for their transgression of straying in the first place is our privilege under God. If we should also benefit from using these lesser races, well, that is simply how God rewards the faithful.

Also, you are under a misunderstanding that Slaves are nothing but grunt labor. Slaves are specialized and perform the same roles as regular citizens. There are Slave programmers, Slave Doctors, Slave Teachers, Slave Navigators, Slave Warship designers, and so on. Slaves are therefore, hardly an economically deficient asset. They have the same technical education as free citizens and like free citizens, their economical value is derived from that education and their performance in their roles.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Puar
The Samsara Collective
#9 - 2016-10-25 15:55:33 UTC
Tank Amarr miners. War dec Amarr corps. join FW against Amarr seems to be the options
Fal Shepard
Fraternity.
#10 - 2016-10-25 17:22:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Fal Shepard
@ Iria, You slavers are all alike. You force your ideas and ideologies upon those who you have drugged, tortured, and bred like common cattle. However the most pathetic aspect of it all is that your kind fell for your own indoctrination. You honestly believe in your own self proclaimed importance in the galaxy and fail to notice the hand of your prophets controlling you like puppets.

@Sklor, don't listen to the naysayers in the galaxy who believe this injustice is simply a way of life. While it is true that you cannot do much for individual slaves themselves, it is far more effective to slay the heart of a hydra than to cut off one of its many heads. Join faction warfare, and fight with the Tribal Liberation Force. For too long we have submitted to the whims of foreign masters we do not know our love. For millennia, our tears and blood have saturated the soil of thousands of worlds as we toil in the heat of hundreds of suns. There are too many who cannot speak, choking on vitoc, and so the roar of our autocannons will be their radiant voice. And we will be heard.

Long live the Republic, and its guardians.

From the ashes of our defeat, we will be reborn. With these chains with which we are bound, we will become indivisible. To those who showed us no mercy, we will give no sympathy. For the flames that burn our cities, we will douse in injustice's blood
Jilani Sklor
Constellation Explorer's Group
#11 - 2016-10-25 19:52:04 UTC
Fal Shepard wrote:
@ Iria, You slavers are all alike. You force your ideas and ideologies upon those who you have drugged, tortured, and bred like common cattle. However the most pathetic aspect of it all is that your kind fell for your own indoctrination. You honestly believe in your own self proclaimed importance in the galaxy and fail to notice the hand of your prophets controlling you like puppets.

@Sklor, don't listen to the naysayers in the galaxy who believe this injustice is simply a way of life. While it is true that you cannot do much for individual slaves themselves, it is far more effective to slay the heart of a hydra than to cut off one of its many heads. Join faction warfare, and fight with the Tribal Liberation Force. For too long we have submitted to the whims of foreign masters we do not know our love. For millennia, our tears and blood have saturated the soil of thousands of worlds as we toil in the heat of hundreds of suns. There are too many who cannot speak, choking on vitoc, and so the roar of our autocannons will be their radiant voice. And we will be heard.

Long live the Republic, and its guardians.



I must learn more, but I now have a clearer path of what I want to do.
Fal Shepard
Fraternity.
#12 - 2016-10-25 20:16:40 UTC
Then get out there pilot, and show the galaxy just who they're dealing with

From the ashes of our defeat, we will be reborn. With these chains with which we are bound, we will become indivisible. To those who showed us no mercy, we will give no sympathy. For the flames that burn our cities, we will douse in injustice's blood
Herateis
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-10-26 05:56:28 UTC
Are sandbox games just not viable for this kind of player generated content? It seems like player entropy quickly devolves anything like this into lowest common denominator, because if people have a goal of making more isk, and your corp isn't streamline for it due to spending money on slaves to "free them", then your corp eventually loses its appeal as this minigame you created doesn't bring in the money.
Jilani Sklor
Constellation Explorer's Group
#14 - 2016-10-26 06:39:27 UTC
Herateis wrote:
Are sandbox games just not viable for this kind of player generated content? It seems like player entropy quickly devolves anything like this into lowest common denominator, because if people have a goal of making more isk, and your corp isn't streamline for it due to spending money on slaves to "free them", then your corp eventually loses its appeal as this minigame you created doesn't bring in the money.


I wasn't really trying to do this from a corp perspective, and before I even do faction warefare I still might do this for roleplay reasons. Regardless of profit honestly, thats what I would use faction warefare for.
Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-10-26 12:11:16 UTC
I'd suggest that you take a serious look at FW. As I mentioned in this post, there is a fair amount of light role play in the Amarr militia, and from time to time you see 'slave fleets' formed up for the express purpose of provoking fights in Minmatar space.

The Minmatar those fleets encounter seem happy to play along, and the exchanges in local chat can be pretty theatrical. This being the case, it would not surprise me at all if there were not 'liberation fleets' run by the Minmatar militias. That sounds to me like what you might be looking for.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#16 - 2016-10-26 13:43:04 UTC
Jilani Sklor wrote:
So here is my question(s)

Are slaves just a *trade good* do they actually serve any other purpose?
Are there any "Minmatar freeing slaves" oriented missions? If they exist, what are they?
Are *Free Slaves* illegal goods that would be checked by concord / police?
Are *Slaves* legal in Amarr space like they are supposed to be lore wise?

Many answers but no one has hit on the simple answer. As a player you will NEVER be able to abolish slavery in EvE, because in a real sense there is no slavery in EvE.

As far as role play freeing slaves etc here are a couple of ideas to add to the list.
EvE Survival will help you sort out the missions that have a slavery theme to them, but beware of declining missions to get to them the standing reductions you get from declining missions can hurt you in the long run.

You could roam all of the stations of EvE and buy up any slaves you find, then you can trash them, or store them away in an itmes locker somewhere, whatever makes you feel like you were freeing them from the clutches of the slavers.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-10-26 14:54:41 UTC
Slaves are simple trade goods currently, like Long Limbed Roes.

I once posted a suggestion in the Players ideas and suggestions forum asking why can't we free slaves and found I wasn't the first to do so. But no response from CCP.

I know from my time in FW that some Amarr players carry 'Slaves' for RP purposes and I have a stack of around 200 such rescued slaves sat in one of my bases, but I can't do anything other than sell or trash them, neither an appropriate option for a Minmatar RP player.

It seems to me CCP missed a trick here. I would have thought it would be trivial to have a right click option on them -> Convert to 'Freed Slaves' which would grant Minmatar LP. Perhaps having to carry them to a Minmatar station to do this.

Anybody could alternatively sell their slaves in Amarr stations for isk (to other players who wanted to free or carry them), giving people a choice whether they want Isk, LP or a Slave in their ship. Limiting the supply of Slaves would drive market forces favourably one way or another, which in turn can be manipulated by players.

But in order for this, CCP would have to remove the ability to buy unlimited Slaves from NPC orders in Amarr stations. Probably have to remove the current slaves at the same time (to prevent stockpiling before the event) and return a new type of Slave that would drop from the relevant FW iHubs.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2016-10-26 22:59:42 UTC
Herateis wrote:
Are sandbox games just not viable for this kind of player generated content? It seems like player entropy quickly devolves anything like this into lowest common denominator, because if people have a goal of making more isk, and your corp isn't streamline for it due to spending money on slaves to "free them", then your corp eventually loses its appeal as this minigame you created doesn't bring in the money.

CVA and Ushra'Khan are some of the oldest Alliances in this game.

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2016-10-27 15:14:42 UTC
Taurean Eltanin wrote:
I'd suggest that you take a serious look at FW. As I mentioned in this post, there is a fair amount of light role play in the Amarr militia, and from time to time you see 'slave fleets' formed up for the express purpose of provoking fights in Minmatar space.

The Minmatar those fleets encounter seem happy to play along, and the exchanges in local chat can be pretty theatrical. This being the case, it would not surprise me at all if there were not 'liberation fleets' run by the Minmatar militias. That sounds to me like what you might be looking for.



That "roleplay" is mostly ironic.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices