Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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You really could have saved yourself the trouble by stating "I think I should be able to count on local to save me from everything."

Again, cynos are not a force multiplier, and a cyno frig carries exactly as much uncertainty as a scout.

I can swarm every gate in your system.

I can set up a logoff trap.

I can do any number of things to get around you being able to reliably predict the number of pilots that may or may not enter the system.

However, the moment those ships enter your grid, they're all limited to the benefits of what is on grid as of Nov 8.

You're arguing for even more reliable lazy free intel as a means of mitigating risk completely ignores all of the existing methods of active intel gathering.

Your argument that "income needs to happen" has nothing to do with what you're asking. Go make income with a fleet if you're that worried about a hotdrop.

Go to a different area of space.

If it's really TOO dangerous at the current moment ******* jumpclone to hisec and do incursions.

The idea that your only option is to dock up every time you see a stranger in local is ridiculous. If that is truly your only option, then your alliance has obviously overextended its ability to adequately secure its space, you are consistantly flying ships above your ability to actually afford, or your level of risk aversion is inappropriate for the space in which you live.

Take your pick.

Offgrid boosts aren't problematic because they add power to a fight. They're problematic because they add UNCOUNTERABLE power to a fight by allowing a pilot to add measurable power, projection, or tank to assets on the field without risking the booster.

A cyno does not do that. It obfuscates your ability to gain usable intelligence about potential threats. It does the exact same job as a jumpgate, it just happens to open that gate nearby. Every one of those ships still requires an active pilot, still requires a hull that can be shot at, and is still succeptible to appropriate force in terms of defense.

It is not the job of the game mechanics to make you safe in your space if your space also allows cynos to be lit. it is the job of your allied pilots. If they can not do the job effectively through diplomacy or force of arms then why do you feel that you deserve to be reaping the income that lower security space provides? That income is elevated specifically because of the risk involved.

I'll say it again: Cynos are not a force multiplier. They are a transportation device. Cynos are not unbalanced. They are a counterbalance to what would otherwise be an entirely too powerful free intelligence.

Also cyno inhibitors are hella expensive to be used literally all the time. They're not scoopable.

Cov Op´s cyno have no counter and need none, the reasons are very well explaned by you. But cyno´s (in my opinion) do. And just to bring a larger force is not alway´s an option. Not every alliance can buy titans/supers like T2 Ship´s.

I stay to my argument cyno = instant --> inhibitor should be the same !

It´s not that you were not able to bring more cyno´s 200 km radius is not that large !!!!

It´s not about the fairness, it´s about balancing, give player a counter to a playstile. And currently the only valid counter for a cyno are cynojammer which need 30 min activation time and 2 min for the mobile.

If i missed a counter please tell me (bigger blob doesn´t count, because this is a counter for everything).

Why is it everyone assumes that the response fleet has to sit there doing literally nothing, hoping for a drop?

You are willfully missing the damn point to such high degree I'm not sure if you're just trolling at this point.

Offgrid boosts let the booster sit, completely safe, on the edge of a shield or citadel, beyond the reach of enemy forces.

Cynos simply bring enemy forces in to a system through a means other than undocking or using a gate.

The cyno is not a magic bullet. it does not conjure up a fleet from thin air. That fleet must both exist and be manned. It can be shot where it started, it can be shot once it gets where its going.

Your entire issue is that it's "not fair" that a relatively cheap ship can invite all its friends to the party.

What you fail to realize is that there is lierally no way to stop this behavior even if cynos were completely removed. In subcap fleets you hold your fleet on gate and scout with a single ship. In wormholes you just cloak or safe up outside dscan range. Anywhere else where the above is not actionable you position the fleet in system beforehand and log it out.

Cynos are actually the most counterable method to unexpectedly pile a large number of ships on to a fight because the ships that aere using them put up a giant "come shoot me" billboard and the ships preparing to drop tend to bloom the pilots in space count for their staging system enough to make it light up like the ******* sun.

If there were no cynos, you'd STILL get hotdropped. You'd just have to wait 10 more seconds for the gank squad to show up.

Cynos are a counter to actionable intelligence. That's the entire reason they exist. To move fleets without using predictable and expected lanes of travel. The counter to cynos is better active intel. That means having intel channels, paying attention to the map, knowing jump ranges to systems you frequent.

Your insistance that "well I should be able to solo and know without a doubt when to **** off" is not only not in the spirit of null, it's not in the spirit of EVE.

if you're really that worried about hotdrops and fine with active intel, move to wspace. I assure you you will never be cyno dropped there, yet you will also at times find yourself on the wrong end of an enemy fleet nonetheless.

The only force multipliers in this game taht should exist is energy wafare, electronic warfare, and logi.

Im still annoyed that taking a neut or nos isn't a viable alternative for frigates barring the predestined and pigeon holed tackler frigs, among other things.