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CCP - SOPA

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Terh Rumnatarn
Epidemic Inc.
#1 - 2012-01-18 13:49:35 UTC
Wikipedia 18 Jan 2012 - SOPA - this link is useless on any other day.

Please CCP iterate your position concerning SOPA and PIPA.

Silence is an answer too. (you haven`t joined the 18 Jan 2012 web movement) You can`t remain neutral regarding this.

Your community needs a statement with your position.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-01-18 13:53:31 UTC
Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO....

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#3 - 2012-01-18 13:59:07 UTC
Quote:
You can`t remain neutral regarding this.


CCP is an Icelandic company, so yes, yes they can.
Dust Fourtwenty
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-01-18 14:02:56 UTC
but US ISPs could be forced to DNS block EVE theoretically and even CCP in all their wisdom wouldn't want that.
Ogogov
Arpy Corporation
#5 - 2012-01-18 14:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ogogov
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO....


This will affect everyone utilizing the internet by introducing draconian legal tools for interfering with DNS resolution.

If that wasn't worrying enough, try reading up on the international version called ACTA.

For more information check out the front page of reddit, or Google's website where the logo is currently blacked out in opposition to these two terrible pieces of legislation. Claiming that they won't affect you if you aren't in the US demonstrates an astounding ignorance of the internet's basic infrastructure.

CCP, being based in Iceland, would doubtless be aware that the US isn't above hacking the emails of their parliamentary members over one errant Australian guy who embarrassed them, nevermind what they will do when there's a few billion dollars in lobby money on the table for them.

I'm sure CCP, as a holder of intellectual property, would be somewhat more conflicted about this. However they should also understand that it's the players and the contributions they make to the game that make it what it is. Without many of the fantastic ideas the playerbase has come up with over the years, where do you think eve would be today? The moment you try to consider information as 'property', things break in an open internet, and they break badly.


These two bills are just the opening shots in an all-out war waged by big content and existing rightsholders against every user of the internet, and as such even if you aren't a US citizen you should be extremely frightened and pissed off.

I don't expect CCP to issue a statement either way, but I would like them to quietly oppose this legislation or anything remotely like it.
Liam Mirren
#6 - 2012-01-18 14:03:50 UTC
Terh Rumnatarn wrote:
Wikipedia 18 Jan 2012 - SOPA - this link is useless on any other day.

Please CCP iterate your position concerning SOPA and PIPA.

Silence is an answer too. (you haven`t joined the 18 Jan 2012 web movement) You can`t remain neutral regarding this.

Your community needs a statement with your position.


Self entitlement, right there. Also, they don't have to make a statement at all as it doesn't pertain them.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Terh Rumnatarn
Epidemic Inc.
#7 - 2012-01-18 14:06:56 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO....



Check your country legislative proposals. Almost all EU countries have similar initiatives.
Also, CCP is a international company with servers in US also. (and if I`m not mistaking they have an Atlanta office)

And the final point, if US goes with SOPA and PIPA, the rest of the civilized world will implement this type of acts into their legislation.
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#8 - 2012-01-18 14:09:59 UTC
As CCP uses a .com address, anything CCP does can fall under US jurisdiction. I don't believe Iceland has extradition treaties with the US, but if an Icelandic employee happened to be in the UK, and the US deemed Iceland to be in breach of that or many other badly written pieces of legislation....

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#9 - 2012-01-18 14:15:21 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO....


Yes it does. Many other countries are on the brink of introducing similarly ******** laws but so far their lobbies have not gained enough momentum to succeed at such plan.

With the influential USA setting up such a massive precedent, you may expect a chain effect in a sizable part of the western countries. Eastern countries tend to have censorship and "freedom management" already anyway.
Valei Khurelem
#10 - 2012-01-18 14:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO....


Please go and look at how the MPAA and RIAA are trying to keep their influence over european parliament and courts so they actively go after filesharers before you say such ignorant things.

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CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2012-01-18 14:22:50 UTC
Please keep political discussions from the so called "real world" in Out of Pod Experience. Thanks! :)

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard

VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-01-18 14:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Now that it's something important to YOU we're allowed to talk about politics? Roll



CCP Spitfire wrote:
3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-01-18 14:57:08 UTC
You can still access wikipedia by following the advice they give you, disable javascripts and holy crap!

Also google blackout is underway (they put a black box over google) you can still use it just fine though :trollface:

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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-01-18 15:34:58 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
You can still access wikipedia by following the advice they give you, disable javascripts and holy crap!

Also google blackout is underway (they put a black box over google) you can still use it just fine though :trollface:


Yeah this black out thing is pretty pathetic so far.

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Kusanagi Kasuga
Indigo Archive
Ivy League Alt Alliance
#15 - 2012-01-18 15:37:00 UTC
Yes, this can and will affect people outside of the US.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-18 16:49:49 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Does this really matter to anybody outside of the USA? NO....



We host a hell of a lot of content that you want access to. SOPA/PIPA would end that.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Omen Talozan
GO' R0V
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2012-01-18 18:15:26 UTC
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#18 - 2012-01-18 18:37:17 UTC
If I wanted to be a legal pain, all i would have to do is make some music, copyright it, overlay it on an eve online trailer posted to youtube, call my buddy up at the RIAA and say that CCP is using my music without proper rights, he then goes to his buddies in the government. Then all CCP domains are rerouted, website, forums, and game servers are blocked at the backbone level till this gets sorted which could be a week.

The internet should be the wild west forever

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Dust Fourtwenty
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-01-18 19:05:34 UTC
you could have played today's emergency reboot as CCP's support for the protest
BLACK-STAR
#20 - 2012-01-18 19:26:11 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
If I wanted to be a legal pain, all i would have to do is make some music, copyright it, overlay it on an eve online trailer posted to youtube, call my buddy up at the RIAA and say that CCP is using my music without proper rights, he then goes to his buddies in the government. Then all CCP domains are rerouted, website, forums, and game servers are blocked at the backbone level till this gets sorted which could be a week.

The internet should be the wild west forever
I agree, I had a similar thought too that anyone could fake something and put blame on another. The bill is clearly set up to be a power abuse. I can see the Internet being mauled viciously, especially by companies like Sony.

Here is the full list of organizations that support SOPA.

It is a bit of a concern because this will affect other legislations on ridiculous freedom killing acts. If it is somehow approved, prepare for sacrifices.
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