Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So CCP back in 2000 something brougnt out INCARNA.

CCP Spent 100's to 1000's Man Hours of time coding and designing station interiors for players to walk and meet around in. They introduced the New Eden Store, and $100 Eye Ware, that did nothing but look good. There was a Live Tech Demo at fanfest.

But upon release this happended :-

The Player Base Cried OUT!!!!! And Rioted in Jita

This was at a time the game was broken some say.

Eve Online Hold-em and soomerblink back then where the out of game gambling sites, but CCP was excited to show us that there was a way to bring it into the game, and corporation could run these games in the stations by renting space in the station.

Hell even at EVEFEST , EOH held events for players in person.

So why not bring back this feature in the game, for example players buy Casino Chips with isk and have an inventory on the character itself to carry these, like a wallet. It also sets hard limits on how much players can convert isk into chips.

And the best thing of all it can be player-base ran but moderated by CCP. Corps can be given tools or guides to import there designs into the game, so for example a slot machine's reels could consist of images that could be implemented by the corp who runs a max of 3 machines, a low tear, medium tear, high tear.

Minimum Payout of the machines could be a low as 80%, but the SCC would tax any income at a 20% rate (weekly when the machines are emptied) (Look CCP isk sink!)

Now yes its a spaceship game and some will hate it, some will like it and some will not care!

Maybe bring it out in sections over a long period, like corp office and walkway, dont have to be anything exciting, just have a bunch of boarded up shops. Most shopping centers are like this there days anyway. and over time with a small team who put in a afternoon or two a week come up with something each expansion.

And think about citadels, Not on the guest list anymore, its low or null sec, well them small arms (item) could have a use .

In basics I agree with zan. Online games cross international boundaries and making sure that your game stays clear of any and all possible violations of relevant laws in all countries is hassle enough without adding CCP sponsored in game gambling to the mix. You might say that it is only game currency that is at risk and it has no real value but that is not really true. We can purchase game currency with real cash, and even though it is against the rules and you can be banned for it you can sell plex, ships and many other things for real money. Setting aside the legal hassles with tax and gambling laws you still have the issues of in game gambling feeding into someones gambling addiction and the possible civil law suits that may come as a result.

Short version, it is better for CCP to stay out of the mess that this could become and concentrate their resources and energies on the real reason most of us play the game.

No...loot drops are loot drops.


Betting 5 billion on a roulette table (even in game) is gambling.


This the kind of stuff CCP would in time need to bring up in court, whenever some DA in the states or a Barrister in England is looking for some fame...and added tax revenue for their district. Why I said CCP is leaving this area of gaming. They want to pay devs, not international legal teams.

This is what I mean by not worth their money. Your little slot machine in game if some DA's in NYC, LA and Dallas care enough, find the legal precedence and start the process up....is now 3 separate legal cases. With 3 legal teams since in the US you have to pass the State exam to practice law in a state. I'll be nice and give CCP a legal team that covers Cali and NY. Still paying them ....and the Texas legal team.

I'd rather ccp headhunt and poach devs with their cash, not lawyers.





And yes CCP would have complete control of this. That the issue. Country X does't even have to work hard to subpoena.

CCP is being proactive here. I know some of you are going whats the big deal. The deal is with recent events like CS GO and such online game gambling has been skylined. Uncle Sam, whatever others have to refer to their countries just realized they have people making some income no taxes. Selling $1000 skins after gambling to get them? where the hell is our cut?

They won't be having that. Do you think the government(s) give a crap about illegal poker games in seedy illegal gambling dens. Nope. They care about the money made they can't grab. Why in the US, online gambling getting the evil eye. And pokers sites have been shut down. For the young bloods who aren't old enough to hit a casino. When you win big and go to the cashier you get your money....and a tax form. And yes you will fill it out, that casino is reporting your streak of luck.


CCP is ditching this before local and international laws make them more firm if not draconian. Its called proactive. Not sure about other countries success', the US has had a fair amount of success cracking down on online sites for poker and such already. CCP is reading the writing on the wall, Its not done yet but...I see a trend, do you?.

Cease and De........

So in say a year from when we have concrete laws CCP can sit back, laugh and they will have some fun for a bit as they watch other games with forms of gambling scrambling to comply with new laws.

Issue #1 to much of ISK and inflation% is behind the ISK income.
Issue#n pilots don't know how to preperly use/where to invest their ISKies

So gambling is easy to through money into with some chances of returns vs. activities required hours of active participation etc.

There really much in terms of investing ISK in the game. Capital markets in the game are extremely stunted.

Sanctioned in-game gambling has 3 insurmountable hurdles:

1. As mentioned, Eve is a global game and regulations vary considerably between countries. The only way to insure compliance with all of them is ban gambling completely.
2. The age of majority also varies between jurisdictions. Again, the only way to insure compliance is to eliminate the activity.
3. The concept of "moneys worth" is starting to be used to assess the relationship between virtual in-game currencies and real world money. In Eve, you can legally use ISK to purchase PLEX which can be used to pay for subscriptions and other services that are denominated in real world money. This will meet most, if not all definitions of moneys worth. So Eve can't hide behind the "it's only space pixels" argument - those pixels have real world value.

Any of these will justify the position CCP has taken - the surprise is it took them so long.

Err, have you seen the witch hunt going on in Britain and the US?
Now is not the time to be seen with a broom ,wearing a pointy hat.

Gambling with isk seems from the outside to be the whole package, black shifty cat and all,
Of course they're dropping it.

Somer got banned for the same reasons though, breaking the EULA,
not explicitly because he was the head of a gambling organization so of course they let someone fill the vacuum
And we're happy to leave them to it until they also broke the EULA.

Thing is though the banns hardly matter at all as the whole thing
was going to be shutdown anyway given the current litigious circumstances some other parties find themselves in.

I'll clarify here though, I'd love to be able to sit down and fleece my Corp mates over the poker table but it's reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeely unlikely that gambling of any sort will be allowed.

But... But... My Halloween costume...

Meh... Maybe I'll try a creepy clown instead.

--Gadget

You'll scare us Americans.