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[IKAME] Directive Alpha Gamma 12 and the Society
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Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2016-10-20 21:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Sir, you speak a lot about angry silly rants. I worry that you might be projecting.
Well yes I can admit that possibility, will you?

Priano's public relation skills are flawless, she would never behave in such a manner. Besides, what would she rant about?

That's quite ignorant point of view. Priano has already displayed herself to whole IGS as a liar, as dishonorable person and as a coward, who couldn't answer for her words.
Here is the reference to refresh the memory: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560


I clicked on this thread because I knew, just knew, that this would be here.

You have done this on nearly every thread Makoto Priano has posted since I came back from retirement in early April, and apparently, long before then as well.

I am now calling on the DED's Aux Aliette to put a stop to this as harassment in violation of the following DED regulations of the Intergalactic Summit. If my comments deserved moderation, this pattern does as well.

2. Be respectful toward others at all times.

3. Ranting is prohibited.

4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

13. Spamming is prohibited.


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I encourage others to help put an end to this obnoxious pattern of behavior as well by referring the chain of incidents to Aux Aliette. 2 years is quite long enough to routinely harass the same individual saying the same thing every time on threads that have nothing to do with you.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Arrendis
TK Corp
#102 - 2016-10-20 21:36:31 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
We've both said our respective parts. Is this not enough?


Not if your part keeps including twisting other peoples' words to try to make them look bad.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#103 - 2016-10-20 21:38:23 UTC
Arrendis, we have different perceptions of the situation. That's a normal and natural thing.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#104 - 2016-10-20 21:42:22 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
If she acknowledges that you're a big girl who can make her own decisions, is she disavowing you, too?


Answer the question. Is she disavowing you, or is your characterization of her statement about me 'misreprestentation'?
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#105 - 2016-10-20 21:49:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Arrendis, Alizabeth very specifically addressed you as a best friend, and included it in her TL;DR, which makes it particularly noteworthy. She then completely disavowed any influence on you despite your being her best friend, when addressing the matter of your implied threats. That struck me as odd.

Now, I of course don't say she's disavowing you; she explicitly doesn't do that. Nor does she say you don't make your own decisions.

However, there is a gray area somewhere between 'I have no influence whatsoever' or 'I have absolute influence,' and your being Alizabeth's best friend puts that somewhere other than 'no influence whatsoever.'

At this point, I think we're making mountains of molehills. After all, if you're just passing along words, then your verbal barbs are just those, and there's no threat.

Still, I can't help but think you want things to escalate.

Why can't we just let things lie?

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#106 - 2016-10-20 22:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Makoto Priano wrote:
Certainly understood and agreed, Alizabeth. It all seemed a bit unusual, a bit excessive. Still, I do find it odd that you so thoroughly disavow your best friend's actions.


Makoto Priano wrote:
Now, I of course don't say she's disavowing you;


Makoto Priano wrote:
Arrendis, Alizabeth very specifically addressed you as a best friend, and included it in her TL;DR, which makes it particularly noteworthy. She then completely disavowed any influence on you despite your being her best friend, when addressing the matter of your implied threats. That struck me as odd.


Did she? Did she claim she had no influence on me?

Alizabeth Vea wrote:

I just know that I cannot really speak for her, should not speak for her, and that she is more than capable of speaking for herself.


That doesn't look like 'I have no influence whatsoever.'

Makoto Priano wrote:

At this point, I think we're making mountains of molehills.


At this point, I'm pointing out your repeated 'misrepresentations' and holding you to account for them.

Like how you claim that of course it's reasonable for you to assume I'm threatening you because I'm a Goon, even though I'd be threatening to blow up my own damned ships. And I pointed that out in private. Repeatedly. Why would I blow up my own damned ships?

I've supported your efforts. I've put my money on the table for you. I've even reaffirmed in this thread that I will continue to support your efforts. Would you please tell me why I would threaten to burn my own money?

You want to just let it lie, maybe you shouldn't have continued trying to take cheap shots at me and mine.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#107 - 2016-10-20 22:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
You're missing the distinction, Arrendis. There's disavowing a person, or disavowing their actions. She avowed you as a person by saying that you are a best friend; she disavowed your actions by highlighting that you are a Goon director first and foremost, even when on her fleets, which seemed curious coming so soon after being called a best friend.

In any case, you repeat that these are misrepresentations, but we had eight months of operations before Alizabeth flew with us with absolutely no threat. If we were being hunted before, it was clearly no matter; what changed after, then, that made this a credible threat? We differ in our belief that you seemed to be engaging in something like racketeering. But, again, I'm perfectly willing to be mistaken, and if it's opinion rather than fact it shouldn't be material to you.

When have Goons cared about the opinions of others, or cared about people 'making them look bad'?

Am I simply not allowed to have a different opinion than you?

Arrendis, seriously. This is getting tiresome.

We're not going to get anywhere.

Let's just let this lie.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#108 - 2016-10-20 22:23:18 UTC
This isn't about making me look bad. You can't make me look bad, Makoto. As you keep trying to rub my nose in: I'm a Goon. More, I'm proud of it. I'm already the evilest thing in New Eden, according to everyone who gives a damn what you think. This is about you saying things you know to be false.

Why would I 'threaten' to burn my own money, when it would cost you nothing, Makoto? Why would I do that? You keep claiming it's some kind of racketeering scheme, but what exactly was I trying to extort out of you? I was asking for your help in keeping the crap between Ali and your people from blowing up. 'Hey, help me try to get this under control or I swear to God I'll blow up my own stuff'? Really? That's what you're going to claim I was saying?

How stupid would someone have to be to even think that makes sense?

I'm really sorry if you're finding it tiresome when someone is calling you out on your nonsense. You want to let it lie, stop lying.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#109 - 2016-10-20 22:32:53 UTC
It's nonsense to find implied threat when a Goon mentions that other Goons may be gunning for you, and to watch out and keep quiet?

Arrendis, seriously. You're not doing any of us any favors by pushing this.

And you're pretty obviously wrong; I'm saying exactly what I believe to be the case, which is that you aren't a passive party, an observer who just kindly passed on words of warning. The donations were appreciated and have seen use, both in SERAPH's operations and ARC's; but to you, they're surely a sunk cost at this point. They remain appreciated, but why would they govern your actions? ISK is easy, after all, and the ships are out of your hands.

But threats, if they influence action, are still useful.

And if you're still aiming to keep this situation from blowing up, why are you still engaging in this?

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#110 - 2016-10-20 23:07:50 UTC
Alright. I think we're going in circles here. We've made our respective points; we disagree; we're not going to convince each other.

Let's just both step back and call this matter, if not settled, at least unproductive to continue on.

So. Shall we step back, both of us?

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#111 - 2016-10-20 23:57:02 UTC
I hope this whole thing can end here. Makoto, Arrendis, please stop, both of you. There's nothing more to be gained from any of this.

Can we just kill Drifters? That's all I really want to do. Is a bit of genocide too much for a girl to ask for? (That and a cute Ni-Kunni woman to cuddle with.)

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#112 - 2016-10-21 00:04:00 UTC
Dare say, Alizabeth.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#113 - 2016-10-21 00:04:36 UTC
Fine.

No promises on the Ni-Kunni girl, though.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#114 - 2016-10-21 00:05:23 UTC
Oh-- crap. Missed that bit.

Uh.

What Arrendis said.

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#115 - 2016-10-21 00:14:58 UTC
I actually kinda have one. Sort of. I think. Maybe? The point being, I'm a woman with simple desires: Drifter genocide and a Ni-Kunni girlfriend. It used to be Drifter genocide and chewing bubble gum, but I ran out of bubble gum.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#116 - 2016-10-21 05:03:38 UTC
Alrighty now. So, if we've quite finished arguing about Directive Alpha Gamma 12, lets move this discussion on.

SO, HOW ABOUT THAT DIRECTIVE ALPHA GAMMA ELEVEN, HUH ?

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#117 - 2016-10-21 05:06:47 UTC
Actually, better question: who names this stuff? Directive Alpha Gamma 12 sounds like something out of bad science fiction. And yes, I know I live on a spaceship.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2016-10-21 05:07:57 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Actually, better question: who names this stuff? Directive Alpha Gamma 12 sounds like something out of bad science fiction. And yes, I know I live on a spaceship.


Perhaps the entire CONCORD Inner Circle (or whatever they call themselves) are massive nerds?

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#119 - 2016-10-21 05:35:51 UTC
What if I told you, that the Inner Circle, isn't actually a circle ?























It's a nonagon.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2016-10-21 06:48:51 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
What if I told you, that the Inner Circle, isn't actually a circle ?

It's a nonagon.


Could be a square or a pentagon for all we know.

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