Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But then they are OP!
I love AF and hate T3D, but this makes 10mn ab fits unstoppable.
Also there will be little choice. AB op.

Well that makes it fine then...

Nerfs? What nerfs?
Care? What care?

never going to not want an ab bonus

Pretty much







An ab bonus would be cool though

While I agree that that tech 3 minmatar abominations needs a handful of target painters to make it large enough to be hit by the nerf-bat, may I remind everyone that the Confessor is not a titan class ship.

In addition to that a slasher should not ever fit a catalyst at point blank.

The assault ships were not meant to shoot down destroyer class ships but cruisers and up. They can still do exactly that but since the rest of the class has forgotten everything about it, people don't fly them with that purpose anymore.

The mobile battlefield got one more variable to consider and we lost 95% of the class already.

They should let me in charge of ship-balancing. At least I would do it right.

Yes and no.

An Assault Frig can potentially go toe to toe with a Tech 1 Destroyer... much in the same way a Heavy Assault Cruiser can go up against a Battle Cruiser.

The advantage both in terms of raw power and price will be with the larger class. Meanwhile the only real advantage the smaller classes have is mobility and speed.


No... even with all the changes that have been happening to other ships, AFs still had a bit of a niche in the world of small gangs.

Then came Tech 3 Destroyers.
The Confessor was first and it was largely fine. It had strengths, it had weaknesses, and it had a nifty gimmick.
Then came the rest of them. And they did not share the same "some strengths, some weaknesses" paradigm that the Confessor did. The Svipul in particular was the worst offender of this.

And so now we have a some ships, in a particular ship class, that can pretty much do everything that Assault Frigates can do... but better in ever way.
They are faster, hit harder, tank more, track better, and possess a much more forgiving slot layout and more generous amounts of CPU-PG.


Even if you give AFs an AB bonus... it still doesn't change the fact that T3ds are better in almost all respects.

There is something called power creep and what Baltec said eluded to that,


If you keep buffing and buffing to achieve balance, You going to end up every ship having every role and bonus in the book.


AF's are useless because T3D's are borked, unborke the T3D's and AF's become viable.

T3D Rebalance is coming. Stuff I read from the logs.

Take all with a grain of salt these are not quotes but derivations of me reading logs.

All T3D's - Sig increase
and still hit max dps.
Jackdaw Either +1 low, or -1 mid and +1 low.
All T3D's - reduce the role DPS bonus, and put a DPS bonus into sharpshooter mode, meaning you cant turtle in defence mode.

I believe the damage bonus in sharpshooter mode will be a ROF Bonus so that the svipul alpha is nerfed.

Buff to Jackaw
Nerf to aspects of svipul without outright breaking it, DPS same but in sharpshooter mode, alpha reduced.

All T3D's get a sig bump, which in a way is more of a nerf to confessor as its a sig tank ****. Confessor/Hecate get a cap reduction bonus when in sharpshooter.

The question is that enough to help AF's become usable again... the prop mod MWD/AB is sexy AF on AF.

Oh god no!

Pirates made them look bad before t3d.

Hell then CCP did t1 rebalance to frigs...and they looked bad.

then inty rebalance, and they looked bad lol.

This ship class just has been meh forever. There are decent AF's out there. Its just the slight catch you have to cough up the massive isk amounts for a say freki.