EVE General Discussion

And how many loss mails are there for empty freighters. How many loss mails are there were several billion worth of cargo? And how many freighters are moving stuff and not getting ganked?

If you want to autopilot your empty freighter you can, but there is a chance it will get ganked. Not much of one, IMO, but a non-zero probability. So autopiloting your 1.3 billion capital ship...yeah kind of imprudent too. Don't do it, unless losing 1.3 billion is no big deal.

Recently in a rant of carebear A form corp B in thread C:

"Ganking was never intended to be profitable, so we should buff freighters and mining barges once again so that ganking only happens if you have a serious grudge against that person and not for profit!"

Simultaneously in another thread carebear D from corp E shed some different tears:

"Gankers even target empty Freighters! EMPTY!! They don't even make profit!! Ganking should only be allowed for profit, if you gank just for tears that is harassment and they should all get banned!!"

I am obviously joking. We even get that in the same thread.

For somebody who was talking about knowing something about statistics this statement of yours is very revealing.

How many retrievers were out there mining in HS during the time covered by the first page of those kills (and after removing NS and LS kills)?

That is if you copy and paste the first page of kills, remove the LS and NS kills we have retrievers killed in HS from 05:28 Oct 19 to 02:37 Oct 20.

How many retrievers in that time frame were out mining and did not get ganked?

After all if we are to get an idea of how bad the ganking problem is we need to know:

Ganked Retrievers/Total Retrievers Mining.

By my count during that time span 36 retrievers were ganked. If there were 72 retrievers out mining in total that day, then the rate of ganking is 0.5. But if there were 360 then the rate is 0.1.

You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement?

It is not the probability of a ship being ganked that I have a problem with. After all this EvE and no where should be completely safe.

It is the crappy little cheap destroyers. They mean that the gankers risk little on the side of isk up for the gamble when they gank someone. It also means reduced risk on the other side of anti-gankers ganking them are going to get less because they are such crappy little ships.

This also impacts on another side which is demand for minerals. Being able to use such crappy little ships means that only small numbers of minerals are destroyed and small numbers are needed to create a new destroyer.

I do not want to see ganking ganked. Just those stupid destroyers. If you had to use the equivalent number of cruisers then that is more on par with risk vs reward.

Also I do worry that either a lot of players of this game have never learned how to tank a ship or we just have a lot of complete morons.

Bump back for Hells sake.
Hire Mercs.
Wardec him yourself.

Unbelievable how helpless high sec became in the last years.
Better leave the game if you are not up to it.

Hey, it confirms his already as truth established view so a random list of something™ is incredibly more convincing than a study performed by an entity who actually cares about the real results because their business depends on it.

You do know code alts operate outside of the code corp to avoid wardecs right? Ganking miners is a loss making operation, the only reason code are still doing it is because people make donations to them.

I just told you why they are not in code. They even have a chat channel for organizing these our of corp agents.

"The New Order transcends corporations, alliances, and coalitions. There's no list of references or skill requirement needed for a new Agent to join us. Everyone in EVE who takes any action to support our cause is an Agent of the New Order. Whether it's something big or small, once or many times, within or outside of official EVE channels, whether it's taken by someone I know well or by someone I'll never meet--each action intended to influence others for the advancement of the New Order is the action of an Agent."

"Q. Why are you in an NPC corp? Are you afraid of being wardecced?

On the contrary, I am Invincible and am afraid of nothing. I do not need corp members to fight my battles for me, nor do I feel the need to hide behind a corporate veil. I will fight anyone at any time. However, creating a corporation does cost over a million isk, which would cut into my profit margin."

Thats taken from their own recruitment page and QA page.




There are naturally a few not with code but code are the only organisation left. There used to be several, mine being one of them that would target miners. CCP nerfed ganking so hard code is all thats left and nobody ganks miners for profit anymore which has lead to a whole host of other problems, the main one being that ganks are no longer targeted, they are random and it doesn't matter how miners fit their ships. The great irony is while ganking has been nerfed into the ground miners are less safe than before and mining itself has never had so little content.

What, exactly, is CCP's motivation to downplay the effects of ganking on player retention? Do you think they want to lose money?

Why can you assume that a company with no statistical back ground is a credible source?

Let me guess you are one of these people who buy things because they are advertised as new and improved or the best around.

You believe what they have said because it is what you want them to have said. Nothing more.

My opinion is exactly that my opinion but I do not hold up unproven statistics as if they are the bible either.

And physicist's model? physicist's models are designed to test if a theory is false, not if it is true and it is not like there have not been numerous that were just plain out wrong. God I really hope you are some pimply teenager still at school.