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regarding your dev blog.

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SeerinDarkness
Vetus Custodes
Golden Shield
#1 - 2016-10-20 05:20:08 UTC
what about the promise made to the Dreamers of providence who Built over 60 stations in providence because they are supposed to be a perm part of the game as CCP promised , why are you wipeing out those dreams with this hippacrisy of changeing them all to destroyable ****.
what good is your word now?? and you dare to say happy building dreamers...someone should choke the life out of whoever thought up this bullshit .
the only people you support is the destroyers and your just as bad as them.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2016-10-20 05:25:36 UTC
Your Citadels will be permanent if you defend them well enough.
SeerinDarkness
Vetus Custodes
Golden Shield
#3 - 2016-10-20 05:30:38 UTC
well thats the point CCP ****** up so bad with supers production that no citadel can stand up to a fleet its as bad as pos's are already. a fortizar is supposed to about = a station today in cost something that should stand up under concentrated fleet lvl fire for several hours was vaped in 20 minuits couple weeks ago, i do not call that defendable or any kind of proper trade for the stations we have now.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-10-20 05:40:47 UTC
SeerinDarkness wrote:
well thats the point CCP ****** up so bad with supers production that no citadel can stand up to a fleet its as bad as pos's are already. a fortizar is supposed to about = a station today in cost something that should stand up under concentrated fleet lvl fire for several hours was vaped in 20 minuits couple weeks ago, i do not call that defendable or any kind of proper trade for the stations we have now.



How is super production related to a fortizar you lost to a subcap fleet?

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SeerinDarkness
Vetus Custodes
Golden Shield
#5 - 2016-10-20 05:44:11 UTC
how about you declare jita a ungovernable hell hole of griefing and reset its space to 0.0 and remodle all those stations into citadels, and when jita 4-4 get vaped and everything kicked out to surrounding lowsec, and all the marketeers of eve cry a flood of space tears and quit and this game dies. then perhaps you will understand how i feel about the history of providence 's construction and all the effort that has been directed to making Provinlock quit this game. apparently all CCP can do is Lie to the honest builders in their game who made that effort because of a promise.
SeerinDarkness
Vetus Custodes
Golden Shield
#6 - 2016-10-20 05:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: SeerinDarkness
nothing the size of a fortizar should be destroyable by a subcap fleet in under 12 hours. 20 minuits is utter stupidity.
the supers production rate has always been out of whack because ccp believed way back when that people would go to the trouble to create the investment setup and that a few hundred billion spent that alliances of corps would only build 1. and then the drone regions came and easy non mining minerals to push into component construction. and today there are thousands of supers because they could.
why would people only build 1 from that lvl of commitment and investment of 150-200 bn to just build 1, they wouldent is the point of that comment
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#7 - 2016-10-20 05:57:26 UTC
SeerinDarkness wrote:
what about the promise made to the Dreamers of providence who Built over 60 stations in providence because they are supposed to be a perm part of the game as CCP promised
Being part of history is fairly permanent Roll

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-10-20 05:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
SeerinDarkness wrote:
nothing the size of a fortizar should be destroyable by a subcap fleet in under 12 hours. 20 minuits is utter stupidity.



It doesn't take 20 minutes. Provided it has actually anchored, it takes a week.

If you're suggesting that anything should take 12 hours of endless shooting to destroy... Roll

That's the dumbest ******* thing I've heard today, and I watched tonight's presidential debate, so give yourself a prize.

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SeerinDarkness
Vetus Custodes
Golden Shield
#9 - 2016-10-20 06:10:11 UTC
dam right 12 hours shooting the whole thing should not be over because the defence fleet got pushed off just once and the thing destroyed.
defenders advantage should confer enough time to reform and come back at lest 4 times, that is historical defenders advantage minmium for equal tech levels all through history.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-10-20 06:19:49 UTC
SeerinDarkness wrote:
dam right 12 hours shooting the whole thing should not be over because the defence fleet got pushed off just once and the thing destroyed.
defenders advantage should confer enough time to reform and come back at lest 4 times, that is historical defenders advantage minmium for equal tech levels all through history.


Well, they have to push you off at least 3 times to bring down a structure, so... vOv. Seems adequate.

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SeerinDarkness
Vetus Custodes
Golden Shield
#11 - 2016-10-20 06:29:14 UTC
on different timers, all this promotes is timezone alarm clock burst numbers operations, and who has the most numbers for that hour decides the fight in what appears to be 1 round of combat with zero chance for a reform and bring in players unable to alarm clock , that is not a defencable model in anyway shape or form.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-10-20 07:00:01 UTC
SeerinDarkness wrote:
on different timers, all this promotes is timezone alarm clock burst numbers operations, and who has the most numbers for that hour decides the fight in what appears to be 1 round of combat with zero chance for a reform and bring in players unable to alarm clock , that is not a defencable model in anyway shape or form.

Vulnerabiliy windows are set by the owner. If you can't muster enough people to defend in what is supposed to be your prime time, then CVA is worse than recent reddit threads have led on.

Additionally, you can bring 10000 supers to a citadel bash and it makes no difference. Citadels are damage limited. Anything over the max taken is a waste unless applied elsewhere.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2016-10-20 07:31:03 UTC
SeerinDarkness wrote:
why are you wipeing out those dreams with this hippacrisy of changeing them all to destroyable ****.

Huh?

What dev blog is that?
SeerinDarkness
Vetus Custodes
Golden Shield
#14 - 2016-10-20 16:17:58 UTC
this has less to do with CVA as a whole and is more about my personal opinion and history with the game.
i was there for the fortizar thing, got pushed off, i knew there was a dps cap so went to reship and quick body function and ready to get going 25 30 mins later , and im told its already dead. really?? are you kidding me?? no its dead. that is my experience defending a fortizar . so your telling me the citadel most directly related to current station cost and size is as easily killable as a current pos control tower even with a damage cap. and provi is supposed to give up their stations for these things??? i consider that **** just about.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-10-20 16:21:54 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
SeerinDarkness wrote:
why are you wipeing out those dreams with this hippacrisy of changeing them all to destroyable ****.

Huh?

What dev blog is that?


The one where they are stopping people from deploying new outposts would be my guess.

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Lasisha Mishi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2016-10-20 16:22:47 UTC
so CCP wants to phase out PoS and stations in null for citadels

what happens to our stuff in stations in null o.0
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-10-20 16:27:33 UTC
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
so CCP wants to phase out PoS and stations in null for citadels

what happens to our stuff in stations in null o.0


I dunno. Why don't we wait until CCP tells us the plan and find out.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-10-20 16:30:59 UTC
SeerinDarkness wrote:
this has less to do with CVA as a whole and is more about my personal opinion and history with the game.
i was there for the fortizar thing, got pushed off, i knew there was a dps cap so went to reship and quick body function and ready to get going 25 30 mins later , and im told its already dead. really?? are you kidding me?? no its dead.



I don't understand how anyone as engaged with the game as you purport to be could possibly be this oblivious regarding citadel mechanics this long after their release.

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that is my experience defending a fortizar . so your telling me the citadel most directly related to current station cost and size is as easily killable as a current pos control tower even with a damage cap. and provi is supposed to give up their stations for these things??? i consider that **** just about.


Citadels are actually quite strong. Your defense fleet, even with the support of the citadel, was utterly stomped.

Your position is that, even though the other guys completely kicked your asses, they should have to spend hours... and hours... and hours... and hours... on painfully tedious, more-boring-than-watching-grass-grow structure grinding because you don't think it's fair that you lost? Roll

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SeerinDarkness
Vetus Custodes
Golden Shield
#19 - 2016-10-20 16:39:47 UTC  |  Edited by: SeerinDarkness
i did not say that we should have won or lost in the end. i am saying that yes it should take you that long to vape something that big. its called willpower and member dedication. not the thug raiders style of combat yaaay we blew it up again in less than 2 dread cycles time to go home and party , and as long as CCP cares to stick a knife in things iv done in this game that are not supposed to change for this kind of thing well i very much disagree with that. and making things undefendable so its easy for thugs to blow **** up.
because very much yes all your spendy toys you bring to play with should have to sit out there with their asses hanging in the breese for a long time.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-10-20 17:02:05 UTC
First: making outposts indestructible was huge mistake on CCP part.

Second: lol Lol

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