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927 Combat Roam, Ships & Ordnance Supplied!

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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#261 - 2016-10-17 20:58:18 UTC
I want a periwinkle thrasher...

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Matar Ronin
#262 - 2016-10-17 21:06:58 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
I want a periwinkle thrasher...
Blue Tiger or Tronhadar Ink close enough?

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#263 - 2016-10-17 21:12:27 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
I want a periwinkle thrasher...
Blue Tiger or Tronhadar Ink close enough?

Periwinkle or nothing. (I already have the Tronhadar Ink skin)

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#264 - 2016-10-18 00:14:15 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
I want a periwinkle thrasher...


That sounds REALLY painful.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#265 - 2016-10-18 15:20:52 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
I want a periwinkle thrasher...


That sounds REALLY painful.

Could you imagine being killed by a periwinkle thrasher? The humiliation alone would pop your pod.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#266 - 2016-10-19 05:20:19 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

I don't know much on where Kim's disconnects with civil conversation have arisen from, though I could see that being a possibility hearing it said. Still doesn't stop her words aimed our way for no specific reason but then again my enemies aren't faceless to me. To her? I have my opinions on that but won't cause the backlash from saying them.

Disconnects with civil discussion?!

There is a certain not very smart tribal, throwing out "challenges", but when he was asked to come to fight, what does he do? Comes to fight? Nooo, he just starts throwing insults, tantrums, lies about me and even calls me, Caldari Officer, a coward. After he was invited to fight and didn't appear. Do you call THAT civil discussion?

Well, maybe among tribals that sort of behavior is considered civil. But in that case just reassures my point of view that tribals in their mass are uncivilized.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#267 - 2016-10-19 06:41:37 UTC
Uh..... You feel that the numerous times that people (not Ronin mind you) went out of their way to show you your wrong, discussions with Piano, Morwen, myself and even Pieter who mind you is on your side, much like me with Ronin, were civil on either side? You aren't innocent on any of them, nor are they to a degree. Don't call the kettle black. Personally, I agree with you that the person calling for the duel should have the burden of meeting it's prerequisites (showing up). What we have here is some one, unlike you or me, who isn't a frigate pilot. Someone who doesn't get, as much as your denying it as a reason, have added burdens added into the mix on fielding a ship for a duel on his terms. If I'm wrong please record your camera feeds of you flying battle fit Raven through Gallante and Matari lowsec space solo and simply do the duel to shut both of you up. You won't. I understand why but laugh at your defensive reasoning to other reasons. Its not some honor thing, it's a logistic nightmare. So stop pretending it's not to people who know it is. For Ronin, there's some misunderstanding of why he must first be able to fly frigates before stepping into "real ships." I don't have to explain to you the fact that if you suck at flying those you more than likely suck at flying them. You know this, I know this, anyone with a combat record knows the importance of learning the basics before jumping into the deep end. I know this sounds harsh, but I strongly believe he should fit a rifter, fly out to you and lose a crew since I don't think he grasps that this isn't a matter of simply killing pirates. This is a real fight. They have consequences that can stifle anyone's false bravado real quick. I hope this is seen as a pleasant surprise, a stupid tribal pretending to be civil.

Neither of you are being civil. Cut this sh*t out and act like the privateer caldari officer you are. Ronin, were all better than this, prove it like I know you can.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#268 - 2016-10-19 07:59:06 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Uh..... You feel that the numerous times that people (not Ronin mind you) went out of their way to show you your wrong, discussions with Piano, Morwen, myself and even Pieter who mind you is on your side, much like me with Ronin, were civil on either side? You aren't innocent on any of them, nor are they to a degree.

Innocent? No. I was quite offensive, because I have zero tolerance to uncivil and hostile behavior. But I don't show hostility to those, who behave like civilized people. Your bring up a list?... Fine, I'll walk through it quickly.

Priano? - she was anything but civil. She has been openly lying in IGS about me, she was lying when I only tried to invite her to talk about possibility of her alliance to join us. Yes, the alliance eventually joined our organization, but her behavior still was unacceptable. I gave her chance to show she can be honorable and behave like a civilized person when her lies were countered, but she again chose the wrong path.
Morwen? - for these peoples GalNet made up a name 'Troll'. You can look up the definition. And I don't think I could remember time when she was actually behaving like a civilized person in a conversation with me. I don't know, maybe she did some time, but I simply don't remember it.
Pieter? - well, there was an incident with him insulting fallen Caldari Soldier. For Caldari and wayists such behavior again can be quite disturbing and appaling. Yes, I blown up too much at this, but you have to understand that we don't consider it civil as well.

And finally yourself. After the duel with you I thought that our conflict was over. But I think you can make a quick search through the forum and find out that you were shamelessly spreading lies about me. That was neither civil behavior, nor behavior that I would tolerate even slightly.


I am a soldier, Ms. Vess, and whole my life I was taught only how to kill and how to fight. I don't start wars or looking for conflicts. But when someone chooses a conflict with me, I do what I have been taught to. I fight. To the end, whichever it will be.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#269 - 2016-10-19 13:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Uh..... You feel that the numerous times that people (not Ronin mind you) went out of their way to show you your wrong, discussions with Piano, Morwen, myself and even Pieter who mind you is on your side, much like me with Ronin, were civil on either side? You aren't innocent on any of them, nor are they to a degree.

Innocent? No. I was quite offensive, because I have zero tolerance to uncivil and hostile behavior. But I don't show hostility to those, who behave like civilized people. Your bring up a list?... Fine, I'll walk through it quickly.

Priano? - she was anything but civil. She has been openly lying in IGS about me, she was lying when I only tried to invite her to talk about possibility of her alliance to join us. Yes, the alliance eventually joined our organization, but her behavior still was unacceptable. I gave her chance to show she can be honorable and behave like a civilized person when her lies were countered, but she again chose the wrong path.
Morwen? - for these peoples GalNet made up a name 'Troll'. You can look up the definition. And I don't think I could remember time when she was actually behaving like a civilized person in a conversation with me. I don't know, maybe she did some time, but I simply don't remember it.
Pieter? - well, there was an incident with him insulting fallen Caldari Soldier. For Caldari and wayists such behavior again can be quite disturbing and appaling. Yes, I blown up too much at this, but you have to understand that we don't consider it civil as well.

And finally yourself. After the duel with you I thought that our conflict was over. But I think you can make a quick search through the forum and find out that you were shamelessly spreading lies about me. That was neither civil behavior, nor behavior that I would tolerate even slightly.


I am a soldier, Ms. Vess, and whole my life I was taught only how to kill and how to fight. I don't start wars or looking for conflicts. But when someone chooses a conflict with me, I do what I have been taught to. I fight. To the end, whichever it will be.

Well, would you consider me a troll? I'll admit I've had my fair share(saying fair share is probably pushing it but anyways) of stupid comments and yet none of those people attack me to the degree they've attacked you. I'm a liar and a troll supposedly but when I'm called out on something (almost always something that was an honest mistake, I don't attack people here I have guns and missiles for that) it's never "well, your lying" it's "sorry, I was mistaken" or something similar. I can't recall having any really serious issues with Pieter, someone who we've litterally shot at each other once upon a time. I've even occasionally found common ground with your allies. You have a hatred for a very large portion of the Gallante, I have a hatred for a large portion of the Amarr, yet I can come to terms with the reality that gritting my teeth and baring it makes P.O.W. exchanges and other, non violent things much easier. Not every problem can be solved with violence easily.

I won't deny you are a soldier, something I wouldn't necessarily boast for myself to the same degree. Is adaptability only a thing in the Matari and Amarr Armed forces? Why do I highly doubt that.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#270 - 2016-10-19 14:17:33 UTC
Whilst Diana and I have had our disagreements, I would say that there has always been respect on both sides. I can't agree with everything she says, but you can't argue with her record of service to the State and, as a Caldari, we're taught to value deeds higher than mere words.

It's very easy, out here, to see things in black and white. Filthy Tribals, intruding into a fight between the State and the Federation that they have no part in. Perfidious Gallente preaching their nonsense about Liberty and Peace - even as they oppress the populations of the worlds in the Warzone, threaten the security of the State proper and stick their noses into everything that doesn't concern them.

Yes. It's very easy to hold such opinions in the Militia - and I'm sure that you can easily dig up Gallente and Minmatar pilots who'll quickly supply you with their side of the story. Such simplified dialogues are how you get otherwise worthy and peaceful human beings to commit mass-murder on a daily basis.

It was only when I made friends with Minmatar and Gallente and Amarrians outside of the confines of conflict that I learned to see people as individuals again and not as mere affiliations.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#271 - 2016-10-19 18:04:28 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Innocent? No. I was quite offensive, because I have zero tolerance to uncivil and hostile behavior.

Zero tolerance to uncivil and hostile behavior.... yet you respond with uncivil and hostile behavior. I'm guessing you're misrepresenting yourself unintentionally, you have limited tolerance for such acts not zero. If it were zero, you wouldn't respond in kind.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#272 - 2016-10-19 22:01:05 UTC
Around and around and around and around and ...

If this whirlpool kept to itself, and didn't go wandering around, it might be worth keeping it going here just so it wouldn't start up in other places.

But, it surely won't stay put, so....
Matar Ronin
#273 - 2016-10-20 00:02:26 UTC
I find it interesting that when I asked kim what system she was hiding in she refused to answer.

I asked her in the IGS chat and before she lies again yes I kept a copy of the entire chat log.

So here is the question I want all the kim backers to respond to.

Why is she afraid to come die in another system?

If she tells me what system she is hiding in I will fly there in my pod, challenge her and she can come out and kill me.

After which time I would expect her deception at being unable to fly to my system will have been debunked.
I offered to supply her with a ship fit to her liking to die in so it would not even cost her any isk.
Unless she has some more excuses, which I'll try to debunk, the time for talking is at end.

If you have any sense of what honor is cowardly caldari brat shut up, show up, and start shooting while you die like a warrior.
You'll get a kill mail, and I'll have your corpse as a trophy to display in our POS.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#274 - 2016-10-20 00:42:30 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
If she tells me what system she is hiding in I will fly there in my pod, challenge her and she can come out and kill me.


Locator agents: you give them a name and pay them a fee, and you get a system.

If you really want to find her, Mr. Ronin, you probably can, with or without her help.
Matar Ronin
#275 - 2016-10-20 01:25:17 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
If she tells me what system she is hiding in I will fly there in my pod, challenge her and she can come out and kill me.


Locator agents: you give them a name and pay them a fee, and you get a system.

If you really want to find her, Mr. Ronin, you probably can, with or without her help.
After yelling "come fight me" so loud, why is kim afraid to disclose her location?

Fear and a total lack of honor, best explains her current actions.
I have debunked all her other excuses.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#276 - 2016-10-20 02:16:51 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
After yelling "come fight me" so loud, why is kim afraid to disclose her location?

Fear and a total lack of honor, best explains her current actions.
I have debunked all her other excuses.


... *sigh*

Has no one actually outright explained this, Mr. Ronin?

Ms. Kim has a reputation for several things. She hates the Gallente with a passion that sometimes more-than-borders on genocidal. She's very quick to anger. She is colossally stubborn about any position she takes, approaches many direct disagreements (especially contradictions) as challenges to her honor, and has adopted the overall politics of the Templis Dragonaurs, which means people disagree with her a lot.

She is also a fierce, repeatedly-proven duelist, which might be why you're not getting more support from your fellows and why Ms. Vess described the ideal scenario here as you losing a Rifter: as an industrialist against a seasoned combat pilot, however wounded in spirit, you're extremely likely to lose.

She's apparently pretty deadly.

I don't know precisely why Ms. Kim isn't interested in coming to face you, Mr. Ronin, but as the person who does not have a record as a duelist as of yet, you're going to have some difficulty getting traction on the "Ms. Kim is a coward" thing. She isn't. Attacking her there is hitting her where she's strongest.

Ms. Kim is maybe rhetorically vulnerable on any number of points, but the courage of her convictions isn't one of them.
Matar Ronin
#277 - 2016-10-20 03:15:14 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
After yelling "come fight me" so loud, why is kim afraid to disclose her location?

Fear and a total lack of honor, best explains her current actions.
I have debunked all her other excuses.


... *sigh*

Has no one actually outright explained this, Mr. Ronin?

Ms. Kim has a reputation for several things. She hates the Gallente with a passion that sometimes more-than-borders on genocidal. She's very quick to anger. She is colossally stubborn about any position she takes, approaches many direct disagreements (especially contradictions) as challenges to her honor, and has adopted the overall politics of the Templis Dragonaurs, which means people disagree with her a lot.

She is also a fierce, repeatedly-proven duelist, which might be why you're not getting more support from your fellows and why Ms. Vess described the ideal scenario here as you losing a Rifter: as an industrialist against a seasoned combat pilot, however wounded in spirit, you're extremely likely to lose.

She's apparently pretty deadly.

I don't know precisely why Ms. Kim isn't interested in coming to face you, Mr. Ronin, but as the person who does not have a record as a duelist as of yet, you're going to have some difficulty getting traction on the "Ms. Kim is a coward" thing. She isn't. Attacking her there is hitting her where she's strongest.

Ms. Kim is maybe rhetorically vulnerable on any number of points, but the courage of her convictions isn't one of them.
Only with people who are predisposed to make excuses for kim. kim can fight me or stay a coward. With no reputation as a duelist it is to my advantage, she doesn't know the weapons I use.

I simply want to demonstrate you people don't have to put up with her bull feces.
Some of your "Oh it's just kim being kim" attitude is enabling and coddling a horrid little racist liar.

kim is afraid to face me on my terms because she can't beat me.

I am unconcerned about facing her on her terms because I have no fear of cowards.
I will face her on her terms and die, she is afraid to face me on my terms and die.
Who is the coward in that scenario?

If she reveals the system she wants to fight in I'll be there.

Unless she is a coward she will also show up in the system I want to fight in.

I am giving her home turf first, and she is afraid to answer.
I am available in Krilmokenur, I am not afraid to let my location be known.

Cover for her if you must but it is damn strange a capsuleer of her skill is so afraid of death.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#278 - 2016-10-20 04:18:05 UTC
So, Mr. Ronin?

If you're really so eager for a duel, I'm game. Basic frigates, no pirate implants, no boosters, no links. We'll need to arrange time and place.

Be aware: I'm at best an indifferent duelist (I'd say "decent" but I'm out of practice). If you can't beat me, you have little chance against Ms. Kim.

If you want a series of duels (which is excellent training), come by Mehatoor and install some basic combat frigates at the 24IC station. It's Nauplius's home station, and he's actually good (at dueling). On my best day I can trade losses with him. He's probably a decent person to measure yourself against if you're preparing to fight Ms. Kim.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#279 - 2016-10-20 05:18:17 UTC
Uh...... Ya, have him duel a guy who will torture and kill his crew...... Good fighter or not that's not exactly the best of candidates for getting some trigger time as a Matari.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#280 - 2016-10-20 05:29:31 UTC
On the other hand, it'd be an amusing thing to sit a couple hundred Ishtars off the undock with sentries assisted to a number of instalocking interceptors, and just remind both parties that honor duelling is a damned stupid way to waste money, lives, and resources.