Warfare & Tactics

Wardecs are more than just people griefing fools in hisec.

For instance, Moar Tears, 0rphanage, Double Tap. and NoirDOT are hired by the big nullsec alliances to grief their foes in hisec, deny market hubs to mains (and in some cases, suicide known hauler alts), and generally deny the safety of hisec to the enemies of their employers. In essence, the squabbles and nonconsensual handjobbing going on in nullsec is telescoped to Hisec via proxies - this gives people who can't go more than 10km away from the undock of Amarr EFA someone to shoot, which is a kind of charity for the mentally disabled.

Of course, the more inept the nullsec alliance, the more there is for the hisec station-hugging cripples to do. For instance, when your alliance leaders decide to attack someone else, and they get surprised that there's a cascade of decs, you really wonder why they haven't hired the mercs themselves beforehand to choke their foes' logistics, rather than have their own in turn japecaged. So, again, only idiots suffer.

The same goes for people who are conducting wars in w-space on systems that connect to hisec. I have never, yet, seen someone hire mercs or drop a dec on their enemies while sieging a hisec static wormhole, to deny their enemies the luxury of playing silly buggers on the hisec.

Sure. There's a bunch of noob corps run by newbs who get decced by people fishing for cheap ganks, and there IS a huge sense of schadenfreunde and luls to be gained by deccing a corp or alliance and seeing it dissolve like a hundred cockroaches escaping the bug spray. You know that not all of them will rejoin once the fight is over, and thus you get the warm sense of accomplishment from making people quit a failcorp.

Psychotic Monk is right, to some extent - there should be no shame in dropping corp and rejoining if the war get too hot for you. Nor should people get het up about their corp having DecShield in its alliance history. Its a vlid tactic, and if your CEO is too dumb, ignorant and prideful to utilise all the tactics available to him to wage war....well, you should find nother corp.

Example, Sudden Buggery decced Dee Alliance. Within 2 days they had shed 3 corps and half their members. They had hired No Kings and Double Tap. We stuck it out for a week, had a couple of GF's. We knew that it cost Dee Alliance 3 billion to hire those two merc outfits and it cost us 150M to dec an alliance - that's the kind of efficiency we expect, to be honest, 95%. No Kings didn't extend their dec to a second week, but Double Tap. did, costing them another packet of money. Within 10 minutes of that I had applied to DecShield and 48hrs later we were clear of our decs, ready to go to town on Dee Alliance again.

The strategy is pretty clear - once pride is out of the equation all that is left is the fact that a whole alliance of 350 guys evaporated down to perhaps 80 alts, and they spent 6 billion ISK defending themselves against 50 toons, 75% of which were alts. More fool them, they'd have done better just wearing a couple of drubbings on the field of battle.

The best bit was when their standings all reset when their corps dropped alliance, and people lost half a dozen ships in lowsec to their respective POS's.

This is war in hisec. Learn to do it properly.

I do agree that people need to educate noobs more about wardecs and tactics to avoid dying unneccessarily and getting frustrated with the game and quitting the game. This is an unfortunate side-effect of the current mechanics.

I think 2M ISk for a corp to dec another corp is too cheap. It should be 2M ISK per week per toon.

I also think you should not be able to insta-join corp or insta-leave in a war. There should be a 24hr timer each way. This will hurt Skunkworks and Moar Tears and so on, but really, if there's 24hr timer for a corp why not the individuals in the corp? If someone's going to join a mail should go out to his would-be foes to warm them a new participant is joining the war. This will solve a huge part of the problem, IMO

I would suggest the following changes:

Higher cost (2mil isk is pitiful, there needs to be a real cost to a bad choice of target)

Longer time from dec to live so both sides have plenty of time to make their preparations.

Lock down both sides memberships once the declaration is made, or perhaps have a cost to accepting any new members for the duration of the wardec (with members who leave in turn having to pay a fine to get out). Same on alliance hopping for the duration of the war.

Minimum duration of weeks, not like the current system where the wardec only went live and gets cancelled, it needs to be a real strategic decision, not spur of the moment.

Have it managed by the holders of space instead of Concord, e.g. register it with the Caldari state and it only applies within their space, make war decs in others' space and it will apply there too. This in turn would allow reputation mechanics, such that depending on the standings of the corps/alliances with respect to the local powers-that-be the wardec could be more/less expensive.

Basically make it such that both wardeccers and targets need to work to make the most of/survive it, no easy griefing/wimping out on the easy targets or ducking under the umbrella of a questionable alliance membership mechanic.

Idea:

The warring corp starts an alt service alliance that offers to shield corps from their war decs for a fee. Say 5 mil. You pay the alliance 5 mil and they shield you from your war. No corp hoping you just get in and then get out. No war.

While at the same time they continue to dec people and make 3 mil for every corp that joins their alt alliance to avoid the war dec. And those that don't join the alt alliance are targets. Seems like a good business model.

War dec discussion is irrelevant. Creating corp and alliance timers and making them 7 days would end 99.9% of war exploits. With a 7 day corp and alliance change timer you would no longer have exploiters jumping around every war dec.

Agreed ... before you know it, you lock a monk who just dropped corp

Get out of high sec broskis.

You are blind



Orca hangar cannot be used if not in corp.
Rather hard to contract stuff that is in a can in space
seriously WFT? you hit your head to many times?



You are a mushroom. Dident you notice all MMOs intaled latley a ton of fun things you can use so you DONT have to use TS, forum, dark rooms and so forth all as means of bringing game stuff back into a game and not making a game end event of a long forum troling darkroom backdoor bandid claok and dagger whatever...



You fail at thinking please stop it.

I used to be into high sec war decing.But then I took a null sec to the knee.

You should be declared KOS.