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Seven Simple Steps to Success (CCP) ✔

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pajedas
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-10-19 22:24:04 UTC

  1. Have a great product ✔
  2. Launch it properly ✔
  3. Maintain said product ✔
  4. Listen to your customer base ⍻
  5. Evolve ✔
  6. Keep your ego out of it ⍻
  7. Broaden one's horizons ⍻

I love Eve Online ♥

That being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space.

Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!

Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit".

Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants?

I doubt it.


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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2016-10-19 22:26:52 UTC
And here come the small, vocal group of players. To tell you how wrong you are.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#3 - 2016-10-19 22:30:36 UTC
pajedas wrote:

  1. Have a great product ✔
  2. Launch it properly ✔
  3. Maintain said product ✔
  4. Listen to your customer base ⍻
  5. Evolve ✔
  6. Keep your ego out of it ⍻
  7. Broaden one's horizons ⍻

I love Eve Online ♥

That being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space.

Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!

Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit".

Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants?

I doubt it.


*✔ = Check Mark
**⍻ = Not Check Mark
*** Please keep your comments on topic
**** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to “win.” The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. That’s the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead


Huh? Not sure exactly what your getting at because I'm a bit obtuse, players already decide where they want to be, if you are on about the 1,000's upon 1,000's of threads about people being free to have free wack a mole they do, nothing stops anyone from shooting anyone else (except noob griefing), many -10 fly around EVE in high sec...not sure what you mean.
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2016-10-19 22:45:16 UTC
What a ******* hypocrite. Roll

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2016-10-19 22:47:46 UTC
Whooooh boyos, he's super serious about this.
Look ,he even has little tic mark emoji's.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-10-19 22:49:05 UTC
pajedas wrote:

  1. Have a great product ✔
  2. Launch it properly ✔
  3. Maintain said product ✔
  4. Listen to your customer base ⍻
  5. Evolve ✔
  6. Keep your ego out of it ⍻
  7. Broaden one's horizons ⍻

I love Eve Online ♥

That being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space.

Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!

Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit".

Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants?

I doubt it.


*✔ = Check Mark
**⍻ = Not Check Mark
*** Please keep your comments on topic
**** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to “win.” The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. That’s the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead


Here's a better version:

1. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you where to start
2. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to do it
3. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to keep it
4. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to receive feedback properly
5. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you when to do it
6. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you why you should do it
7. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to plan for it

Bloody marketing.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#7 - 2016-10-19 22:50:50 UTC
here come the antiganker tears complaining that high sec isn't safe enough XD

Maybe move out of uedama so you don't get to see freighters blowing up in your face non-stop daily.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-10-19 22:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Piugattuk wrote:


Huh? Not sure exactly what your getting at because I'm a bit obtuse, players already decide where they want to be, if you are on about the 1,000's upon 1,000's of threads about people being free to have free wack a mole they do, nothing stops anyone from shooting anyone else (except noob griefing), many -10 fly around EVE in high sec...not sure what you mean.


That's because you're not familiar with the OP, who suffers from a terminal case of stage 4 butthurt re: suicide ganking. It's all he ever posts about. All indications are it's all he ever thinks about.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
pajedas
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-10-19 23:05:02 UTC
LOL.

Because I defend a good idea you think I'm a victim?

That just goes to show how uninformed this group of trolls is.

Looks like I'm ahead to me...

🐇
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#10 - 2016-10-19 23:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.

In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.

That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.

And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. Eve would be very borring without it.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-10-19 23:27:20 UTC
pajedas wrote:
LOL.

Because I defend a good idea you think I'm a victim?

That just goes to show how uninformed this group of trolls is.

Looks like I'm ahead to me...



"I'm elite. Tell me, mom!"

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-10-19 23:33:16 UTC
pajedas wrote:
**** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to “win.”


pajedas wrote:
Looks like I'm ahead to me...


Says it all really.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-10-19 23:59:19 UTC
pajedas wrote:
bunch of stuff


So much advice, but i'm willing to bet you've never designed, released or maintained anything.
Please drop a multi-paragraph essay about your expertise on the thread, i could use a laugh.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
pajedas
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-10-20 00:01:16 UTC
Rovinia wrote:
I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.

In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.

That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.

And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. Eve would be very borring without it.

Thanks for the constructive feedback. Very well put.

My response: It's a big Universe. If someone wants to be left alone, you can't fault them for that.

They shouldn't have to sit in a station...

🐇
pajedas
Doomheim
#15 - 2016-10-20 00:03:50 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
So much advice, but i'm willing to bet you've never designed, released or maintained anything.
Please drop a multi-paragraph essay about your expertise on the thread, i could use a laugh.

Look down.

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#16 - 2016-10-20 00:06:29 UTC
Welcome to New Eden Smile

@lunettelulu7
pajedas
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-10-20 00:16:38 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Welcome to New Eden Smile

You're a little late for that, but thanks.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2016-10-20 00:22:39 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
pajedas wrote:

Thanks for the constructive feedback. Very well put.

My response: It's a big Universe. If someone wants to be left alone, you can't fault them for that.

They shouldn't have to sit in a station...


They don't, they are free and able to go play EVE alone.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#19 - 2016-10-20 00:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
pajedas wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Welcome to New Eden Smile

You're a little late for that, but thanks.

Wrapped up in Lulu's post is the message that New Eden is what it is. It isn't something else.

Your OP seems to be proposing that New Eden should be something different - that what it is, isn't ok.

The view that changing Eve to something different would lead to skyrocketing subscription doesn't necessarily follow. There are already other games that offer something different to Eve. If Eve changes to become more like one of those, doesn't it risk alienating its existing customers; and just put it in direct competition for subscribers with games that don't have a subscription and/or which already have those extra customers?

How would changing Eve suddenly lead to askyrocketing number of subscriptions? What is the basis for that?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#20 - 2016-10-20 00:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Rovinia wrote:
I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.

In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.

That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.

And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. Eve would be very borring without it.



Its amazing that some people don't get that. The only thing that gives anything in EVE any value is danger, and in EVE, other people are the danger.

Every time I see that recurring bit of stupidity about "high sec should be totally safe", I remember all those idiots who proclaimed some new game was gonna kill EVE, and they loudly left for those new games, only to silently slink back when they found out that safety in a video game is more boring than watching paint dry.
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