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Excessive Griefing

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#121 - 2016-10-19 10:59:49 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
Yes it must all just be a coincidence that user numbers fall everytime Hi-sec miners get screwed. I would say industrialist but you confuse them with anyone who ever sets foot in Hi-sec.
Highsec miners are the safest they have ever been. By simply choosing to fly a tanked Skiff they can effectively make themselves immune to any unwanted player interaction and grind away without a worry in the world.

Other game changes have and may continue to impact on their profitability however. The latest boost changes might be the biggest hit yet to highsec mining. CCP is making these changes to make the game better as a whole though, and that means sometimes playstyles take a hit or are eliminated completely. We've seen it before and we'll see it again. That's life in the sandbox.

Well I think this thread has run its course.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2016-10-19 11:07:20 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:

Well I think this thread has run its course.

Well at least we agree on something.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#123 - 2016-10-19 11:58:58 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:

Yes it must all just be a coincidence that user numbers fall everytime Hi-sec miners get screwed. I would say industrialist but you confuse them with anyone who ever sets foot in Hi-sec.


Highsec numbers have fallen as the pvp has been removed (aka as safety has gone up).
PsiMin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2016-10-19 12:14:54 UTC
Nero Jove wrote:
Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.


Bumpers are the scum of the earth as it is just to cause harassment and annoyance,

When I used to mine in high sec its annoying as sustained bumping in a system is still classed as harassment and can be logged, however CCP tend not to do much about it.

One way of stopping it happening is

Miners to orbit the roid at around 7k also get them to use MTU's, save the locations to your Orca, once full orca warps to them and scoops the ore

Orca has a Tractor beam - You cannot stop the orca being bumped due to it being slower than a sleeping Snail but you then just use your tractor beam, when full warp off and re-join.

You do lose a slight performance around 10-15% doing it this way but it will not stop your miners.


OTHER OPTION

Spend some time with your chars and do the same to them to stop them mining
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#125 - 2016-10-19 13:42:03 UTC
See, Mark really believes that is was the buff to the catalyst that resulted in the rise of organized ganking, when in fact it was much more the result of the buff to barges. Cultural changes trump relatively minor tweeks to the numbers.

I remember the catalyst buff as a side note to the rise of the New Order that happened well after the New Order movement had begun. It was sort of a "oh, that's nice. Carry on." from my perspective. Shrug.

I think ultimately folks like Mark Marconi want to nerf our ability to work together.

I guess dozens of combat pilots shouldn't be able to bring down one imprudent guy with no backup, in his philosophy.
pajedas
Doomheim
#126 - 2016-10-19 14:01:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Highsec numbers have fallen as the pvp has been removed (aka as safety has gone up).

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Wait...are you trying?

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pajedas
Doomheim
#127 - 2016-10-19 14:05:09 UTC
Galaxy Duck wrote:
I guess dozens of combat pilots shouldn't be able to bring down one imprudent guy with no backup, in his philosophy.

Correct. Eve is set far into the future.

Do not allow "any" weapons into so-called high security space.

They have the technology and future bureaucrats would make it happen.

You're just afraid you might actually have to "work" for a living.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#128 - 2016-10-19 14:24:48 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Do not allow "any" weapons into so-called high security space.

I am sure the mission runners would be thrilled. Another quality idea brought to you by AG. You guys are amazing.

Evil RatKid
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#129 - 2016-10-19 14:27:41 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Galaxy Duck wrote:
I guess dozens of combat pilots shouldn't be able to bring down one imprudent guy with no backup, in his philosophy.

Correct. Eve is set far into the future.

Do not allow "any" weapons into so-called high security space.

They have the technology and future bureaucrats would make it happen.

You're just afraid you might actually have to "work" for a living.


It's space. nothing about space should, or is, safe. High sec included. It's high SECURITY, as in lots of armed guards, not a "safe space" as in you're a goddam snowflake and no one should touch you.
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#130 - 2016-10-19 14:40:28 UTC
pajedas wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Highsec numbers have fallen as the pvp has been removed (aka as safety has gone up).

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Wait...are you trying?


Ummm... could you specify which part he's wrong about? Because both of those things in fact did occur and they in fact did correlate temporally.

You can say correlation not causation blah blah, sure. But also notice that Baltec never mentions causation.
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#131 - 2016-10-19 14:42:22 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Galaxy Duck wrote:
I guess dozens of combat pilots shouldn't be able to bring down one imprudent guy with no backup, in his philosophy.

Correct. Eve is set far into the future.

Do not allow "any" weapons into so-called high security space.

They have the technology and future bureaucrats would make it happen.

You're just afraid you might actually have to "work" for a living.


Lol the day I ever have to grind anything is the day I uninstall the game.

Grinding is for carebears, carebears are for food.
pajedas
Doomheim
#132 - 2016-10-19 14:54:06 UTC
I almost forgot how dedicated the ganker trolls are.

It's like trying to take welfare from people that have lived off of it for generations.

They'll do anything to hold onto it.

What are you so afraid of?

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#133 - 2016-10-19 15:17:06 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:

Yes it must all just be a coincidence that user numbers fall everytime Hi-sec miners get screwed. I would say industrialist but you confuse them with anyone who ever sets foot in Hi-sec.


[citation needed]

I'm trying to think of the last time hi-sec miners were screwed on... anything.

If you're up for some real cognitive dissonance, go ahead and check the publication date of the HTFU video and plot it against those numbers you're so hard for.

If you want to correlate the decline with something, the closest match is the abandonment of that attitude in favor of trying to appeal to a broader audience.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#134 - 2016-10-19 15:22:13 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Galaxy Duck wrote:
I guess dozens of combat pilots shouldn't be able to bring down one imprudent guy with no backup, in his philosophy.

Correct. Eve is set far into the future.

Do not allow "any" weapons into so-called high security space.

They have the technology and future bureaucrats would make it happen.

You're just afraid you might actually have to "work" for a living.


I'd be OK with no weapons in High Sec if high sec was reduced to the starter systems. otherwise what's the point?
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#135 - 2016-10-19 15:28:35 UTC
pajedas wrote:
I almost forgot how dedicated the ganker trolls are.

It's like trying to take welfare from people that have lived off of it for generations.

They'll do anything to hold onto it.

What are you so afraid of?


I guess if I was afraid of anything, it would be EVE becoming some lame game where I have to grind stuff. But that'll never happen, so meh.

You wanna answer the question concerning Baltec's post now instead of dodging it?
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#136 - 2016-10-19 15:41:33 UTC
PsiMin wrote:


Bumpers are the scum of the earth as it is just to cause harassment and annoyance,

When I used to mine in high sec its annoying as sustained bumping in a system is still classed as harassment and can be logged, however CCP tend not to do much about it.


The reason CCP tends to not do much about it is because it is not harassment. It isn't now and wasn't in the past. If you sent in petitions and nothing happened, its because your petition was nothing more than an amusing couple minute read for some CCP employee.

Bumping of miners has an economic and political motive. There is a definite reason its done and a definite reason its allowed. It has been subhumed somewhat by the rise of miner ganking but I anticipate a return to bumping personally after the November changes to boosting. Boosting range now becoming a thing and all.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
pajedas
Doomheim
#137 - 2016-10-19 15:48:25 UTC
I don't have to dodge anything.

I've seen hundreds of lame ducks like you come and go over the years.

Fact: CCP has ran the game down so far that they're having to give it away.

I guess they listened to the wrong voices.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#138 - 2016-10-19 16:52:26 UTC
@OP:

In addition to all the suggestions in the first 4 pages of the thread, have you tried talking to the guy yet?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#139 - 2016-10-19 17:00:13 UTC
pajedas wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Highsec numbers have fallen as the pvp has been removed (aka as safety has gone up).

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Wait...are you trying?


So we have higher numbers now than 5 years ago?
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#140 - 2016-10-19 17:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Duck
Oh, he's not gonna let you pin him down with your fancy "facts" and "evidence", Baltec. He knows what he knows and what he knows is static.