EVE General Discussion

"Doing what you are told to do" is actually not that big a deal. I spent years in HS with alts inventing, producing, and doing PI, and helping the alliance run a reaction chain and made billions.

To be allowed to do all that I had my main get in fleets and shoot ****. I enjoyed both so it was not a high price at all.

And I have had my mining alt out mining in belts in a 0.5 system and have not seen CODE. once. Of course I mine in a skiff. But that is the end game for mining. You either mine in a skiff or procuror or you are foder for CODE. And you can thank CCP for that one. Their horrible tiericide is what lead to that.

How about we actually call them what they are. "Freeloaders". Stealing the produce created by the actual "Content Creators" so they can get by with little risk but huge rewards.

While the actual "Content Creators" are taking all the risks but getting small rewards.

Good lord but you are salty.

Look maybe you should go and watch Lion King again. Pay particular attention where Mufasa tells Simba about the circle of life.

No player growth died in 2010, it was called Incarna.

But it spiked heavily prior to the release of retribution, then fell a bit, then rose slightly prior to the release of Odyssey then in 2013 they released Rubicon, which created the making of the POSes: I am a small portion of the community, 153 page threadnaught.

As to my use of a skiff/procurer this is not about me, this is about the masses of people who left. Which did include me until recently.

Yes HS pvp has been ganked so that now you can use cheaper ships and still suffer bugger all consequences for ganking.

So horrible.

Yes you did get an insurance payout now its gotten so easy to gank, you dont need it.

So maybe you should stop acting like it is your right to be able to destroy hundreds of millions of isk ships for a few ratty destroyers, while you pretend that ganking has gotten so hard. Meanwhile most of the industrialists have left this game.

Edit: Most of the HS industrialists did quit. You must be so happy that the game will now have free to play clones, just to try and stay alive so you can stay entitled.

dude, just quit, you are obviously not happy with the game anymore. move on...

So we are down to the cant attack the argument, attack the person part.

It does not change the fact that it takes 11 catalysts with T2 guns and Ammo costing 9.09 mill each to kill a freighter empty or not. The gankers are making billions from little to no effort because even a freighter carrying 200 mill in goods covers the cost when half of it blows up.

No Industrialists did not get what they wanted, I can't remember any industrialist ever saying :Please buff the destroyers" that was the PvP types.

You don't seem to get it there is no low risk trips. Newbie ships are being ganked for fun, hulks and macks for chuckles and freighters for massive profits.

And yet you say i am acting like a child because I want risk vs reward reinstated because at the moment the Industrialists are taking all the risks and the gankers are getting all the rewards.

While you just want the gravy train to continue.

Very nice so proved that older/richer characters are producing more per capital. Industrialists exist but a lot of these are Null alts producing in Hi-sec. Not Hi-sec miner/Industrialists.

As can be seen here in newer figures, the supplies of Hi-Sec minerals are falling even after the expansion that increased mineral content. While Null/WH minerals are on the increase.

And then if you look at the numbers of mining barges and exhumers, they are approximately the same as battleships.

So a lot of hi-sec producers exist but not many miners which is what I am referring to as Industrialists. Those who mine and produce in Hi-Sec.
Also if there were so many Hi-Sec miners, how could the value of Hi-Sec minerals double?
And if there are so many casual miners left why is the cost of plex so high?

So an industrialist who produces in highsec is not a hisec industrialist? You sound like a highsec miner claiming "I am not a miner" after being exploded by an Agent of the New Order while mining.

Sure, they fell 10% after Fozzie reworked how the minerals work to better serve nullsec production, so what? It is not as wide a gap as for production, but the majority of mining goes on largely in highsec regions still today.

What does any of that have to do with highsec ganking, let alone the OP?
So let me get this straight, they are not "true highsec producers" by your definition even though they mine and build stuff in highsec. The majority of both mining and industry still takes place in highsec barely budging from the historic numbers, yet you are still trying to claim that all the highsec industrialists have left?

Mineral prices can increase for many reasons that have nothing to do with rates of mining production. These include increasing demand, increasing costs of PLEX, changes in the rules around input multiplexing, removal of "gun mining", as well as general inflation. I am not sure for what time period you think they have "doubled" but regardless I don't see how you can connect that to the number of miners that have left the game.

As for PLEX prices, that is a symptom of more ISK in the game and several steps removed from mining and thus probably not directly related. But if anything, the number of hours of mining to earn a PLEX equivalent has gone up over time, which is something you would expect if there were more miners in the game competing at selling ore to buy PLEX. If they were leaving, you would expect the value ratio of ore:PLEX to go in the other direction as ore became more rare (and thus more valuable) and the departing miners consumed less PLEX from the market (thus reducing the value of PLEX).