EVE General Discussion

a quick point about hiring mercs.

Myself and my other half both multi-box, we have characters in most part of the game including hi-sec mining, this is something that a character in one of her mining corps received:


I am opening up diplomatic talks with your corp and need a POC within your corp ,someone who can talk on the corps behalf.

we have been offered 1 bil isk to war dec you to deny your indy operations.
we have carried out our recces and are aware that you operate orca supported ining fleets with skiffs
supported by charon.

if you check our killboard you will see that we are the most effective corp in our regions,

you as a corp have stepped on someones toes but as we are isk motivated we fell it is only fair to offer you the option to buy a potection policy ?

the policy covers
-assists in wars against you
-war decs on your behalf
-asset, system denial
-asset protection/ removal (citadel)

the cost of the policy is 1.5 bil with life time membership to our special blue standing list access to our int channel.


this was from an active merc corp that have multiple war dec's and a lot of members who do kill people, it just shows if you hire someone they will sell you out, scam you or just plain rip you off.

the misus answer was 'go ahead we get war decc'd a lot have a lot of alts and just leave corp if we want to use a toon in that corp'.

the war dec never came, mercs in hi sec are a joke.

Lol, by spaming you mean the one request I sent to some mad miner who told me to destroy "our base" but CONCORD protects us. So I challenged him and tried to get him to accept. He did not. So I wardeced them and the next day the ran 32 jumps into a starter system.

Also by all means, come and gank the Orca or the looter :-)

It would be really nice in pvp against miners was actually about "the stuff". But it never really about Tritanium, Pyerite, Mexallon or Isogen - but mundane hydrogen, oxygen, sodium and chloride for harvesting.

Step away from Atlas Shrugged before you hurt yourself.

There is plenty of "rule of law". If you get into a corporation in Goonswarm I'm sure they'll let you produce all you want. Many of them will even buy it. And there will be a "rule of law" that you can benefit from so long as you are in their sov space.

In fact, even in HS, there is plenty of rule of law--i.e. the law is if you are an idiot you'll lose your stuff....so don't be an idiot.

Do NOT put too much ISK value into your hauler.
Do NOT autopilot through choke point systems.
Do use a scout if you have valuable cargo.
Do NOT try to go through a choke point gankers are active.
Do tank your ship.
Do have an emergency cyno if y ou are using a JF.
Do randomize your trip--i.e. dock up for periods of time in various systems to throw off the gankers...all have you to do is wait for somebody who is ignoring these points.
Do use a blockade runner if you are moving high value low volume cargo.

If you practice all or some of these you'll be less of a gank target than if you just go about your business like a stupid fool.

As for getting better organized...maybe you should stop and think about continuing nerfs to ganking. The more they are nerfed, the gankers innovate and short circuit the attempts to nerf ganking. Ever hear of the law of unintended consequences? Well there you go.

And please, you do not understand risk vs. reward here. Not in the least. Ganking miners is rarely a profitable endeavor. The only ones really doing it are CODE. and those who get reimbursement from James 315. As for freighter ganking, the people getting ganked...they are seeking risk.

LOL. Okay, I lack comprehension.

Be that as it may, your thinking is just plain sdrawkcA ssaB.

When we meet the threshold of, "(the law of) diminishing returns" let me know.


You're wrong, I'm right...get used to it.

So to sum it up your advice is don't be rich in hi-sec.

So much for the rule of law. As to risk vs reward, I think I understand it better than you. The gankers risk is minuscule in the respect they can continuously do it with no real effects.

Sorry, but I couldn't help it...

No you are wrong.

If we were in the real world where where we were talking about capital accumulation you'd have a point, but we aren't.

Ships in game exist primarily for one reason...to be blown up.

Without that, you as an industrialist would have nothing to do. I do not need 2 or 3 ishtars in that case, I just need 1. Once I have multiple fittings to handle my needs...I wouldn't buy anymore modules either.

Even if we had something like capital (and I mean plant and equipment) we wouldn't have depreciation. POS do not wear out. Things do not break.

So only via ships going boom in cold harsh space keeps the moon goo flowing, the miners munching rocks, and so forth. Without massive ship loss prices would crash.

Yes, trust me, I am well aware of things like opportunity cost, probably far better than you. I have read Frederic Bastiat and his essay That Which is Seen That Which is Not Seen. In fact, that is a good essay, especially this game.

See, in that economy things do wear out and need replacing, that "wear and tear" is what keeps the cobbler and the glazier employed. But in this economy we do not have that. There is no wear and tear on your ship. You can fly an obelisk from Dodixie to Jita 1,000 times and it would not suffer any depreciation. You'd never have to say, "Hmmm, the poor thing needs to be replaced."

So this economy needs ships going boom as it substitutes for that wear and tear. And there is no real innovation of items in game. I can't invent T4 or T5 modules. I can't combing T2 and factions stuff to make a T2 Faction module. So there isn't even the idea of buy an upgrade to the Ishtar. We have to wait to see if CCP provides and if they do, great then we can all buy it...and reprocess our older model ishtars and sell them for a trivial amount of ISK.

Maybe if we had a growing population kind of like in the old Solow-Swan growth models. Then we could have economic growth, but since we currently have a shrinking population that doesn't really work too well either. And look, again depreciation and capital accumulation show up.

So like Bastiat's essay, without ships going boom you'd have nowhere to sell your ore, no reason to build ships. No reason to build modules. We could all just content ourselves building and selling things like ammo, but any margins would be razor thin. No, ships, POS, and stuff blowing up in game is EVEs version of depcreciation.

Well, it is the usual mantra of the HS industrialist.

Should I tell them that the fees they'll pay in NS are much, much lower. And in some cases no taxes either? And with a JF you can move your stuff around quite easily and even more safely than with a freighter?