Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Incidentally, this would also solidify the value of a force recon a lot more too. Right now T3Cs can do it all. But with a BOBS in the mix, a force recon could excel at their specialized role in a way that the T3C never could.

They've also got a lot bigger fish to fry currently.

Would be better off pushing for a a Command Blops Battleship some unique race that can do boosting and/or logi the fleet, either solo logi or whatever.

Edit: I have a feeling a T3C can do all of that LOL.

This. BLOPS could use a teensy bit of built in scan res, but other than that, they do pretty much exactly what they are intended. They get damage and extreme mobility. Everyone these days expects ships these days to be as broken as the svipul, and be good at everything - if blops were tanky too, there would never be a reason to use anything else really.

Recons are a bit more questionable. They really do wonders in small gangs, but they just don't have the durability to do their job outside of smaller encounters.

If you wanted to make blops really spooky, give them access to an activated cynosural inhibitor module. Now that would be really interesting.

Just fit up covert t3 with links. Cheaper for same effecf. No need for a game change. Oh wait. What size of blops gang would that be meaningful for? Probably huge.

just because you don't want to use T3C for link don't mean we need to rebalance Blop for link

I personally prefer CCP bring covert op BC for link/boost before they rebalance Blop for link/boost, that is if CCP think about it.

Would it really be a (re)balancing pass to add a role bonus that doesn't affect them? It wouldn't affect their balance at all.. it would affect their usefulness in having them on-grid when force recons are present. Would the recons need a balance pass? Yes, perhaps, but some of them already need one, so meh.

Built in here is the idea that the current scan resolution of battleships is acceptable. Many of the complaints about battleships center on scan res in general, but this is especially true for a BS that is supposed to be about ambush. It was smart when they changed DCUs to an actual fitting decision - honestly they should really do this with Blops and just bake more scan res into the hull, because as a TII ship, it is supposed to be a specialist, but as it is, they are absolutely horrible at locking things fast, and it is not really a decision to fit a sensor booster - you really do just need it.


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I'm not sure what game you are playing, but there's a reason why people use Proteus and Loki to do the pointing and webbing in large encounters. Now, maybe they are too good (separate issue), but there's also the fact that the recons are just too frail to scale well into actual fleet work. Even a moderately sized encounter of say, 50 v 50, recons are just not survivable - easy primaries. When they do (eventually) nerf T3s, there is going to be a real issue in fleet fights with the lack of tanky control.

For BOBS, a remote sebo may be a luxury unless you're having bomber(s) or recon(s) drop one of their mids for the remote sebo. That seems an expensive trade-off for both of them, just so that the BOBS can lock a few seconds faster. It's all about the gank. I would agree with Vic in this case that the sensor strength should be more intuitive to their role: "and then blap".

As for the comment about combat recons... you know... I've always wanted to use force recons in fleets and never found a fit for them. As you say... that's a role for combat recons. And as you say, they're too squishy. I think it's because they're too squishy that I keep wanting to use the force recons over combat recons, so that you have that cloak. If they buffed the combat recon tanks more, they'd see a lot more use. And that would be fun.

Damps in the mids??? Target painters folks - blow that sh** up!



1. surpise
2. booom
3. loots
4. cloak

rinse and repeat.



Doesn't painting a ship make every ones lock time a little quicker?

That's the problem with how EvE is not working. I do a lot of blops fleets, and its always, I want lots of bombers, stratios, and recons, because they all scale well, and can get out in emergencies. I get 600 DPS+ per bomber, and they cost nothing to bridge, and nothing when oops happens. Every bomber also brings one TP/Point/Damp as utility - they are so good for their purpose. Most things you can do with blops, you can do more efficiently with lots of bombers.

But everyone wants to bring their pride and joy, their big game huge ship, encrusted with shiny mods so they can power-haze whatever you drop on. Blops BS, like normal BS, just aren't needed to get the job done - they are just plain impractical, baroque if you will. Why fly something 20-40x as expensive for maybe 30% more dps, much slower lock time, much more exposure, much slower, when the smaller stuff is literally better at their job in most situations? Why bring 3-4 blops and 3-4 support when you could just bring 7 bombers all with offensive or defensive mids, and like one recon? If you do blops right, the drop is over in 30s. If blops do not fit 1-2 sebos, they just aren't being useful. I mean there are edge cases when you get enough blops, possibly with remote reps, that you are up to something else, but most of the time, blops are terrible for the job. Bigger things shouldn't always require support to be effective. They are supposed to be about high ante ganks....except they are bad at ganking.

I dropped two of my widows on something the other day, because I wanted to power haze and style on someone. Took me forever to lock, and I quickly realized why I almost never use them. I want to. I want blops to be good.

Bombers fit themselves more or less, and do what they are designed to do. With blops, it's like, I need an MJD, a Cap booster, and a sebo, just for starters, to not be terrible.

Give blops a 100% scan res increase after jumping for 30s. Suddenly, they are vicious ambush ships, but with a quite intentional and necessary glass jaw.