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EFT v2.35 - Citadel

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Anara Libertie
Shadowspace Enterprises
#3101 - 2016-10-15 23:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Anara Libertie
Marian Devers wrote:
What happened, Grippen get married or something? :)

P.S. We'll try to summon him on skype, see what he says.


I hope you can contact him. But my gut says that trying to code the Carrier changes was too hard and he just said screw the whole thing.

If that is the case though, he really should have released the source to the community. It is an essential tool for thousands of players and he left us high and dry without a word of explanation.
Milly O'Brien
Ave Tenebrae
#3102 - 2016-10-17 15:38:15 UTC
Anara Libertie wrote:
I hope you can contact him. But my gut says that trying to code the Carrier changes was too hard and he just said screw the whole thing.


Thousands of us would be more than happy to have a version that excludes capital ships.
Unit562
Blood Tide
#3103 - 2016-10-17 19:27:49 UTC
I firmly believe that he's said screw the whole thing because CCP said they were going to release simulated ships within the in game fitting system. The simulated ships completely and totally removes the need for programs such as EFT, as it does exactly the same thing, only more accurately as it's in game. Unfortunately, I think 3rd party fitting tools are going to go away with the November expansion.
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3104 - 2016-10-18 03:13:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ebag Trescientas
Unit562 wrote:
I firmly believe that he's said screw the whole thing because CCP said they were going to release simulated ships within the in game fitting system. The simulated ships completely and totally removes the need for programs such as EFT, as it does exactly the same thing, only more accurately as it's in game. Unfortunately, I think 3rd party fitting tools are going to go away with the November expansion.


Rumors of 3rd party fitting tools deaths have been greatly exaggerated.

Want Pyfa, but with more features?

Pyfa.fit

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#3105 - 2016-10-18 08:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
Unit562 wrote:
I firmly believe that he's said screw the whole thing because CCP said they were going to release simulated ships within the in game fitting system. The simulated ships completely and totally removes the need for programs such as EFT, as it does exactly the same thing, only more accurately as it's in game. Unfortunately, I think 3rd party fitting tools are going to go away with the November expansion.


CCP tryed to make a usable ingame map and yet people (including me) still use dotlan cause it is simple, effective and very very much more clear, well-arranged map tool.

I am sure the same will happen with ingame fitting tool. CCP so hard in sci-fi GUI medium, that their in-game tools are barely usable cause of shiny but overcomplicated user interface.
Chan'aar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3106 - 2016-10-18 10:01:27 UTC
erg cz wrote:
CCP tryed to make a usable ingame map and yet people (including me) still use dotlan cause it is simple, effective and very very much more clear, well-arranged map tool.

I am sure the same will happen with ingame fitting tool. CCP so hard in sci-fi GUI medium, that their in-game tools are barely usable cause of shiny but overcomplicated user interface.



Having tried the fitting simulation on the Test Server I can say the above is correct.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3107 - 2016-10-18 11:20:42 UTC
I'm torn. On the one hand, they're trying to make it like you'd see things in the movies. On the other hand, yes, needless clutter is bad for design. If user interfaces for system design are like they are in movies, you'd never really get anything done. Real system design, even in the future, has to be fast response, clear, without useless frills, and to the point.

Make the finished readout screen look much cooler and have some sort of holographic semi-transparency boxes that you can click through and see the ships different abilities, during the design face you need a realistically usable UI.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Hark'ma
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3108 - 2016-10-30 23:26:35 UTC
Whoever makes EFT. You have been a huge help to me and thousands of others.

Thank you.

PS: As of Oct 30 2016 Procurers seem to only have one high slot in EFT and 2 in game.


<3 thank you for your hard work.
Chan'aar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3109 - 2016-11-01 18:36:10 UTC
Save us from Ghost Fitting Gripen, you are our only hope!
Pellit1
Spiritus Draconis
#3110 - 2016-11-02 19:25:44 UTC
I've been a user of EFT for many, many years.
If EFT truly is dead then I will be extremely upset, however thank you Gripen for your hard work which has given me personally probably as much enjoyment than the actual game itself.

Having said that, I really, really, really hope that it's not the end.
tasman devil
Puritans
#3111 - 2016-11-03 13:34:30 UTC
Chan'aar wrote:
Save us from Ghost Fitting Gripen, you are our only hope!


THIS! :)


Gripen, where are you!? The rebels NEED those maps to the deathst... I mean the EFT, otherwise we will have no chance to repel a ghost fitting window of that magnitude.

I don't belive in reincarnation I've never believed in it in my previous lives either...

Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
#3112 - 2016-11-04 17:49:28 UTC
Please someone contact him for source code put it into the hands of another gamer.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3113 - 2016-11-09 06:06:15 UTC
Just wanna add my 2 ISK worth.

First of all, I am very thankful for having EFT available. It has saved me time and ISK in-game for doing ship fits. Not only that, it has also gave me insight into skills needed to make those ship fits work.

Despite CCP's good intentions, those of us who have been around for a while know damn well that what CCP says and does is two different things. Besides that, even if they do what they say they'll do, the released product will be buggy and more importantly, will not be worked on or finished after being implemented in game.

So we definitely need an active EFT app. I for one don't want to log into the game just to check out various ship fits.


DMC
Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
#3114 - 2016-11-09 14:13:56 UTC
I think we are going to have to learn how to use Pyfa. :(
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3115 - 2016-11-10 05:29:54 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Despite CCP's good intentions, those of us who have been around for a while know damn well that what CCP says and does is two different things. Besides that, even if they do what they say they'll do, the released product will be buggy and more importantly, will not be worked on or finished after being implemented in game.


CCPs scope for a fitting tool is much more narrow than that of EFT/Pyfa. It's essentially drop some modules on a ship, display some basic stats. It will never do what those tools do, nor will it ever cover a fraction of the information they provide.

But it's not meant to.

Ghost fitting isn't something that is intended to completely obsolete EFT/Pyfa, it's just the next rev of the in game fitting window. And it'll be a very useful tool, one that I'll use often. (I've already used it many times on SiSi, have you?)

DeMichael Crimson wrote:

So we definitely need an active EFT app. I for one don't want to log into the game just to check out various ship fits.


As far as an app goes, there are many to choose from.

Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues wrote:
I think we are going to have to learn how to use Pyfa. :(


It's not terribly difficult, so let me turn that frown upside down. :)

Many things are being actively worked on (I just submitted a PR that will allow people to selectively enable booster side effects, albeit in a slightly hacky way). Go look at the PRs for Pyfa, and if there's something you are really missing from EFT that you want there, create an issue on it.

Just PLEASE don't create another "give windows plx". Pyfa is never EFT, never pretended to be, and never will be. We have to draw the line somewhere. :)

But feature/information/display/functionality/etc requests, those are fair game.


Also, for those in the know, big things are planned for Pyfa. So keep your eyes open for news on that front.

Want Pyfa, but with more features?

Pyfa.fit

VLAD VIRONS
Evolve Xcellence
#3116 - 2016-11-11 15:25:59 UTC
Unit562 wrote:
I think 3rd party fitting tools are going to go away with the November expansion.


And how i supposed to fit my serios ships offline?? ;)
HellGate fr
#3117 - 2016-11-16 02:26:24 UTC
Cry
Poision Kevin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3118 - 2016-11-16 11:23:40 UTC
VLAD VIRONS wrote:
And how i supposed to fit my serios ships offline?? ;)


THIS. Main reason why EFT is so good is because I can use it anywhere I have a PC, with eve or not. I knew enough not to have to go ingame to check things, how bonuses applied, stacked and more.

Someone give me his adress so I can bake him cupcakes and presuade him to keep it up :D
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#3119 - 2016-11-16 15:32:11 UTC
Poision Kevin wrote:
VLAD VIRONS wrote:
And how i supposed to fit my serios ships offline?? ;)


THIS. Main reason why EFT is so good is because I can use it anywhere I have a PC, with eve or not. I knew enough not to have to go ingame to check things, how bonuses applied, stacked and more.

Someone give me his adress so I can bake him cupcakes and presuade him to keep it up :D


Screw cupcakes, I got some single malt scotch with his name on it!
TheSylance
Enchanted Minds
#3120 - 2016-11-17 13:51:16 UTC
The biggest difference between Ghost-Fitting and EFT (or other fitting tools) is that you can fit your ships offline, and that you can change skills, implants and boosters to see their effects.