Warfare & Tactics

Alright, I've quit EVE cold twice over this issue, but I haven't bitched about it. So here's the *****. Please follow along to the end.

I like FW. It offers casual PVP that's easy to find, with spontaneous cooperation, without a lot of hassle or investment. I can log into Amarr, fit a ship, fly it a few jumps, lose it, and call it a night.

Only this can also happen: I can undock from Amarr, lose my ship to an insta-locking Loki regardless of my undock BM, then lose my pod if I'm not spamming warp before I lose the ship.

Normally, when EVE sucks, there's a thing you can do about the suckage. That is also the case here. I can

1. completely, 100% bypass the Loki by having a second capsuleer fly **** out from Amarr. I may need to skill it up to fly some ships; it doesn't need to fly any of them well.

2. have a second capsuleer buy **** in Amarr and then contract it to a shipping service that will fly it to me.

My problem with these solutions is:

1. Already I can't "log into Amarr, fit a ship, fly it a few jumps, lose it, and call it a night" anymore. What was the point of FW again? If I'm using a shipping service, why don't I just go to NPC null?

2. I don't want to multibox. I don't want to. You can't make me. Waaah. I don't want multiple accounts. I don't want to deal with any of that garbage. I've accepted that this hangup of mine means that I'll never fly a jump ship -- but I can't even do low level PVP now without it? What the ****. Does CCP want multiple accounts so much that they'd rather not have my single account?

3. EVE is saying to me: "in order to get better at EVE, you need more capsuleers." My position of "I don't want to do that." translates then to "I don't want to get better at EVE". When I reach this conclusion, like I have twice, I uninstall. I don't want to play a game that I don't want to be good at.

An additional issue is that I don't have any respect for the Loki. This is common, yeah -- miners ***** the hardest when they don't think ganking is legitimate. But I still don't think there's any legitimate gameplay in sitting 100% safely on an undock until you can effortlessly kill someone, then repeat. The safety in particular is total bullshit. Yes, it's also highsec war mechanics. I didn't join FW to deal with highsec war mechanics.

-- that's the *****.

After a few months, I may miss EVE again, I may have forgotten the math I did that resulted in "I do not want to get better at this game." What I hope is that by then NPC stations have all been replaced with citadels and that the instalocking Lokis have ****** off to gate camps, where they can still be ganked. If not, I'll find something else to do than FW.

If you lose your ships when using an instadocking and undocking bookmarks, then those bookmarks are not properly made. Just saying...

You don't need to "multi-box" which means multiple clients, there are three character slots. Make a 3-4day hauling alt job done.

Yeah. I don't want to do that.

The people giving me advice on how I could with great difficulty and unparalleled precision just barely manage to avoid this Loki a third of the time, provided that I never do stupid tradehub things like undock a half-naked malediction to try part of the fit out, are missing the point: I can avoid the Loki with 100% efficiency by using a separate capsuleer.

The butt-frustration from this Loki's activity is precisely is that it's so trivially avoidable by means that I reject. The 3-4day hauling alt completely removes this danger from the game. So why does this danger exist in the game at all?

You undock at a random angle. Ignoring it, if it's not too bad, is good enough for everything but an instalocking Loki.

The only way to test it against instalocking Lokis is to keep trying to lose ships and pods to one, while making new bookmarks.

Sounds like the kind of game I'd pay monthly for.

I could spend a week getting the BM exactly right, or I could avoid the problem with 100% efficiency with a hauler alt.

Which would you do?

My guess is, you've never ******* seen an instalocking Loki and think your bookmarks are wonderful because they've been good enough for everything else.

No, Mr. Loyd, I prefer to uninstall.

Indeed. There is no need to base yourself out of a trade hub.

Better to find yourself a station closer to the conflict and build yourself a stockpile there.

When the stockpile is running low:
- Fly to the trade hub region. Reaching the trade hub system is optional, as is docking.
- Buy enough stuff for multiple ships.
- Arrange for someone who isn't in FW to haul the stuff to the station you are operating from.
- Assemble and fit the ships at your home base.

For me, my home base was a high sec system on the edge of highsec. That way I could get Red Frog to do all the hauling for me.

hello mate Chopper "Loki" Read here, how the **** are you.

All I really wanted to say is harden the **** up mate, put a GF in local and carry on like all the rest.
The way you are going on you would think you lost a faction BS and not a **** fit confessor and pod.
Come on now, don't rage quit, maybe post in militia chat next time and get some boy's to come down and kill my loki rather than cry on the forums. Trust me, that would be much more sweeter and alot less salty at the end of the day.

Fly safe and HTFU

3. Create an instaundock bookmark and use it when leaving Amarr.

That said: It's faction war, not faction honorable space duels.

"Someone else outplayed me and I'm angry about it," is a pretty insipid thing to complain about.

Your second character? Stick him in a trade hub like Jita or Amarr. Have him purchase stuff you need and sell loot you don't want.

Use public courier contracts to move your stuff to your staging system which ought to be low sec, or at least a system on the border of low sec while also using courier contracts to more stuff to the trade hub.

pewpew all you want where FW matters - low sec. And quit your whining. This business model allows you to pewpew more than if you ran back to your staging system every time you needed a ship.