EVE General Discussion

I don't mean to sound rude, but why would I join a group of people I don't know, who have no track record of activity, and might fold/everyone might quit on a moment's notice?

What advantage dose a new corp give me as an average line member over a well established one?

* Is there an SRP?
* Are there out of corp established hauling services?
* Is there coverage across all time zones?
* Did someone just start the corp to try and scam me?


EVE is fairly ruthless and we are not trusting people by nature, so getting someone to trust you enough to join a brand new corp is an uphill battle. I'm not saying it's not worth making one, but it is more difficult than starting a group in other MMOs.

From the much praised guide of "How to be a Warlord in EVE Online"... ShahFluffers now presents his newest 10 step program:

"How to Make a Successful Corp in EVE Online"

Step 1: Make friends.

Step 2: Do things with friends.

Step 3: Bond with friends over things that stress you out... like suicide ganking or gatecamps. Or things that make you all laugh... like shooting each other in duels to the death and looting a target's smoking wreck(s).

Step 4: Think about making a corp. What would be its purpose? Could you defend yourselves? How can you use the corporate mechanics to maximize profit and/or efficiency for everyone? Are all the cool names taken?

Step 5: Ingest your toxin of choice and make a corp.

Step 6: Invite friends from Step 1 though 3 to it.

Step 7: **** around with corporate aggression mechanics just to see if people are paying attention and actually give a **** about the corp.

Step 8: Set up little "depots" of EWar ships in systems everyone frequently visits and make the appropriate insta-undocks bookmarks (you should be doing this as a solo pilot anyways). These will be for war.
It is only a matter of time before someone declares war on you... so cover your ass.

Step 9: Declare war one someone! Preferably someone who will give you a fight. Stain your killboards with blood so that you and your friends don't look like sissies. This will actually DETER some war decs.
Hint: Go to moons and check to see which corps have active and inactive POSs. Or declare war on the dumb asshat in your area (there is always one).

Step 10: Start inviting newbies. Move to low-sec. Drag the newbies with you. The ones you want are the ones who follow (see: cull the herd!)

so pretty much this games community are a bunch of assholes got it mostly looking at sonya

I had some bad experiences with some of these damn nobody corps, high tax rate, no perks. Stupid. Stupid leadership. Fck 'em. I decided to go solo corp to keep my own taxes in a separate account ...for me.

If you want some REAL ideas, other than the second replies which are all valid btw, look to real life HR departments. Why, even if given a fair wage and benefits, can it be SO hard to hire new people? These are real life questions on peoples personalities, motivations and reasons to join a REAL life corporation. These ideologies, whether you like it or not, carry over into games as we are still the underlying humans with underlying human nature issues controlling our thoughts, emotions and actions.

This is also why there are so few really GOOD FCs and so few AWESOME corps. When you are dealing with human group dynamics real world issues all apply. For good or ill.

If you're in high-sec, you're not offering anything that people can't do solo and better (if they do it solo, they won't have to contribute any taxes or any materials to your corp). So that's the major reason. Lowsec, null, wormhole corps have pretty much no trouble recruiting people.

Minor reason: Cows Against Humanity? Really? So your corp and everyone who joins is a cow, and you're rebelling against all humans, which is pretty much everyone else. Gee, I wonder why people aren't joining.

Well....Cult of War (CoW) kinda ran with that cow thing for awhile.....

No, the problem is your corp offers nothing to a potential member other than a slightly lower tax rate.

It's literally random people doing nothing in particular with no apparent direction or purpose. It's sole value is to eventually provide The Marmite Collective with fodder to shoot at.

Its really not that hard.

As a corp in EVE, you are an employer.

Now, if, as an employer you can't provide potential employees with something they want, why would they join you?

If the purpose of your corp is purely social, keep in mind that your corp could be a chat channel, and probably should be, since a character can only join one corp at a time.

If your corp is a business entity, then you as CEO should probably start acting like an employer. That means establishing benefits for your employees and determining exactly WHAT the product or service you exist for is. What exactly is it your corp does that turns a profit? Without profits, how will you pay your employees for whatever job it is they do for you?

Further, what is the currency you pay in? Do you pay out in ISK, or do you pay out in tears, or do you pay out in fun, or do you pay out in a little of all of the above?

For instance, my corp does a lot of things, but one of those things is making sure our pilots have to do as little overhead as possible for their activities. Our product or service happens to be hisec industry supported by wormhole exploitation. Our primary currency for the employees is convenience.

We provide industrialists with no-frills direct sale of minerals and a pooled industry/research plan that saves them time, money, or both. This means they can use the surrounding space that isn't clogged with other people, don't have to pay personally for their hauls, and don't have to do their own cargo logistics. If people start flying a new fit, we figure out how best to provide them the ability to reship in a way that's most convenient and cost effective. If people are looking for fleets to fly in for content, we work out how best to organize those fleets. The corp benefits by getting locally sourced and cheaper stuff. The combat pilots benefit from having the ability to cheaply reship without having to fly all over, contract their own stuff, or do their own research, crafting, or market checking.

Making this happens requires considerable effort on the part of leadership. We provide a service to our pilots because they are literally paying us through taxes or mineral/crafting sales price adjustments for that very service. They provide us with raw materials, muscle, and currency that lets use further expand operations.

If you just set up a corp hangar and call it a corp you're not going to get many takers. Getting people to commit to your organization means your organization has to work for them as much as they work for you. That means providing them either benefits or ISK that they can't get themselves, or that they don't want to get elsewhere because your smaller corp offers a more transparent and personal experience that some people prefer to joining a larger entity.

Running a new corp in EVE is a full time playstyle, and it means organizing people so they don't have to organize themselves. They come to you for content, advice, convenience, and security. Only after you can provide some or all of that will they stick around for the fun and friends.

There are many reasons why people won't/don't join, a new unestablished Corp will have an extremely hard time recruiting due to lack of reputation, information, etc, everybody offers much of the same, there needs to be a reason why they want to "game" with you and not a well known Corp.

There is also the same as others have pointed out, too much scamming, most people coming to eve have heard and know the reputation of eve, trust no one, I've offered free stuff to newbies (without the recruiting), only for them not to take it because they think I'm scamming them, it unfortunate that it is this way but it is.