Player Features and Ideas Discussion

tbh the old mechanic that they shot at you when your were flagged and while within 250km range i think or was it 150km ? dont remember wasnt even sever enough imho but we got used to it :) and abused it with sebolocking naga's ... can be done still if its 150km.

Why?

Sounds like an attempt to make lowsec a safer place. Unsupported.

Which is bad because...?

Exactly what I say. Why do you think it is a bad thing that gatecamps exist?

But... then you're just changing it to be slightly more like highsec...
It's supposed to be a different type of space with more risk and more reward

I would like to see evidence for this.

It seems more like an assumption that may or may not be true at all.

It also seems to assume that there are players in highsec, who would leave except that they are afraid of gate camps and have no other reason for not going to lowsec. I'd like to see the numbers and whether they outnumber the people who enjoy gate camping.

It's just as reasonable to say that making lowsec safer will **** off more people that left highsec to find more risk and **** off gate campers, and they'll be less inclined to play the game.

Also an assumption. Also not based on any evidence. Also a useless basis for making changes.

I don't really care about making is safer or less safe. The problem is that you have these guns, right. Their whole purpose is supposed to keep losec combat off of gates and stations while allowing it in the rest of the system.

Currently they don't do that.

If they can't do the one thing they're supposed to, then why have them at all?

Either losec needs to be "like a middle ground of risk between hisec and null" or "null with shitter ISK value"

The current mechanics don't do either particularly well.

If you're gonna have gate guns, they should work, and by work I mean they should shoot people that are aggressing illegally on grid with a gate so that they have to set up a bubble or gank or whatever not at the gate. If they can't control PvP at the gate, then what's the point of having them?

Either make the gate guns work reliably as gate guns, or get rid of them. Currently its just a halfassed system.

They do shoot people. They add dps in favor of the defender. It is as balanced as it needs to be.
Yes tankable, but in high security they are not. Lowsec really just has restrictions on weapons and warp disruption that make it higher security than null, and that is all it needs. You get a moonwalk-out-of-a-solo-ganking card gauranteed as long as you take proper steps.

Cloak+mwd, warp stabs would be for the non combat inclined. The complaint about gate guns not being effective enough sounded like it was for the combat adverse.

For those looking and able to bring a fight, they're on their own, and scouts are a thing. My last comment was to point out that bubbles and bombs are still not permitted, however smartbombs and burst ewar are. The guns are meant to be a token deterrent. they scare away frigates but not much else. That makes sense.

What is the first thing you think of when you want fast tackle and disposable ships that can take out industrials? Tin-can frigates.

Anything more serious should not be really deterred too much from being able to shoot what they want going through those gates. Its lowsec. Its not meant to be safe, people are meant to fend for themselves without the real advantages of gatecamps in ownable space(nullsec).