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Physics for planets and moons

Author
Jean-Marc Lepelletier
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-10-17 20:26:55 UTC
(crossposted from r/eve)

You know how you can warp through planets and moons on your way to somewhere? Well, turns out you can slowboat through them, too.

I was at the Jita trade hub a couple of days ago, and just for ***** and giggles I decided to fly a MWD Condor into the nearby moon to see what would happen. It was hella creepy diving through the surface of this massive object and then suddenly seeing it vanish around you (planets and moons are both completely invisible on the inside when you're not at warp). 600+km later, I emerged on the dark side of the moon and the outer texture reappeared behind me.

I tried it with two of the planets in the Jita system, with my corp watching in fascination. A gas planet had the same result as the moon, only the planet was nearly 40,000km in diameter. An ice planet was also penetrable, but I had to use manual piloting since the ship tried to pull away once it met the 'surface'.

I get that this is to allow ships to warp through planets, but it's potentially exploitable. If you slowboat inside a moon and set a bookmark, you have the perfect hiding spot (it would take combat probes quite a while to find you, and you could fit an entire fleet plus mobile depots and containers in there). Yes, it's possible to do exactly that, I successfully bookmarked the inside of the gas planet. The only thing you can't do is deploy a citadel. What if there was a scripted interaction that caused ships to explode if they collided with a planet outside of warp?

Also, does anyone know if you can light a cyno inside a moon or planet? Because using celestials to ninja a jump frigate or capital from system to system sounds pretty exploitable to me.

If CCP intended for people to be able to hide entire fleets inside a gas giant, would it kill them to map a texture onto the inside of the thing?

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#2 - 2016-10-17 20:57:55 UTC
Well, its been brought up before and I believe CCP agreed that it was just too impractical to make planets and moons solid objects at this time. Forcing people to warp around large celestial bodies adds some measure of realism and strategy to the game for PvP players but it adds nothing but an annoyance for the hordes of casual players in-game.

And for people using the insides of moons and planets as capital ship rally points, well, I really hope someone tries that. It would be a great learning experience for them.
Cade Windstalker
#3 - 2016-10-17 21:09:20 UTC
Most of those things don't actually work that well. If I drop probes on a planet, get your signature, and hit warp to you it'll drop me on you not at the planet warp-in.

Making ships explode on contact with planets would just open up exploits, like setting up a bookmark 5 km from the surface and then anyone who tries to warp to you from that direction goes kablooey. Similarly having people bounce off would, due to the mass of the planets, create the same problem that currently exists with stars, the difference is that stars can't allow people to sit inside them due to basically being just a fountain of lighting and particle effects that you could weaponize if you turned down your graphics and sat on.

Lastly the cherry on top of all of this is that it's just more stuff for the game to process without a real point to it as far as gameplay is concerned.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2016-10-17 21:28:06 UTC
Quote:
I get that this is to allow ships to warp through planets, but it's potentially exploitable. If you slowboat inside a moon and set a bookmark, you have the perfect hiding spot (it would take combat probes quite a while to find you, and you could fit an entire fleet plus mobile depots and containers in there).

This caught my attention.

This is called "making a safe spot."
It is a tactic as old as EVE itself and not an exploit.

Also, probes don't care if your ship is in a planet or not. You can still be scanned and probed down.
And yes, you can light a cyno in one.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#5 - 2016-10-18 07:44:37 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
...Making ships explode on contact with planets would just open up exploits, like setting up a bookmark 5 km from the surface and then anyone who tries to warp to you from that direction goes kablooey. ...


Hmm.. I kinda like that idea already Big smile

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