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T2Print bubble finally burst?

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Big Lynx
#1 - 2016-10-16 08:33:43 UTC
well, I've done a lot of t2print flipping in the past. i still have some good old (rare) ones which I simply can't part from.

Now, observing Cody's T2print spam-fest (incl. stupid price-tags) in public contracts and selling 1 per half a year, optimistically spoken, I asked myself, what are my t2 prints really worth? I mean in producers' eyes. (Hulk 2x, Cerb, 3 x warriors, 2 x hobs and some ammo *****)
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#2 - 2016-10-16 09:26:42 UTC
The bubble burst around Crius and Somer being banned, anyone holding T2 ship BPOs then lost a fair few digits.

For what it's worth, I've sold something like 60 T2 BPOs this year, that's about 33 per 6 months.

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Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#3 - 2016-10-16 09:31:15 UTC
Invention cost for Hobgoblins averages just under 50K ISK/drone. Someone currently has a T2 BPO for hobs offered on contract for 99.9 billion - basically the cost of inventing 2 million drones. It's true the BPO should retain its value and there will be ME savings but I believe you will be far better off financially if you invest that capital elsewhere.

Eve is a game and ISK isn't the only measure of value. I personally would be better off financially if I sold most of my blueprint collection but, I'm still collecting the damn things (burst BPOs). Some people will want a T2 BPO as a status symbol but it isn't really a practical investment.
Big Lynx
#4 - 2016-10-16 09:37:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Lynx
Do Little wrote:
Invention cost for Hobgoblins averages just under 50K ISK/drone. Someone currently has a T2 BPO for hobs offered on contract for 99.9 billion - basically the cost of inventing 2 million drones. It's true the BPO should retain its value and there will be ME savings but I believe you will be far better off financially if you invest that capital elsewhere.

Eve is a game and ISK isn't the only measure of value. I personally would be better off financially if I sold most of my blueprint collection but, I'm still collecting the damn things (burst BPOs). Some people will want a T2 BPO as a status symbol but it isn't really a practical investment.


yes. in 2012-invention buff in 20?? it was like an infinite profit pool to flip t2 bpos and the bubble became insanely big. I quit shortly after invention buff cause it was a pain to flip t2prints with good profit (even profitable ones). I make more profit with officer mod flipping atm. The numbers of liz are highly doubtful for me, cause I've practiced this bsns for a very long time (even in the time before liz appeared). That would be 6 t2bpos flipped per month.... can't believe that without a proof and ive discussed this topic with many high stake traders.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#5 - 2016-10-16 10:25:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Just look through my public contract history, once you find 10 or so let me know and I'll go look for the private contracts (I sold about 25 at once to a single person, and another 10 or so privately to people in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=464352.

I bet you also don't believe what a Raven State Issue sold for recently. I don't understand why you'd doubt these claims, I'm sure you've done similar things before and I'm pretty sure you're richer than me.

This is just a retread of Hemmo's salty posting, isn't it? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6668258#post6668258

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Big Lynx
#6 - 2016-10-16 10:30:24 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Just look through my public contract history, once you find 10 or so let me know and I'll go look for the private contracts (I sold about 25 at once to a single person, and another 10 or so privately to people in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=464352.

I bet you also don't believe what a Raven State Issue sold for recently.

This is just a retread of Hemmo's salty posting isn't it? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6668258#post6668258

Why are you posting with liz' toon, cody? Still roleplaying liz, although she/he quit eve a while ago? And why are you trying to insult me like that? I forgot, that it's near impossible to discuss things factually with you.

for that, big brother, plz close this
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-10-16 10:35:51 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:

Why are you posting with liz' toon, cody? Still roleplaying liz, although she/he quit eve a while ago? And why are you trying to insult me like that? I forgot, that it's near impossible to discuss things factually with you.

for that, big brother, plz close this



it is one of the best quotes ever made by Biggy... deserved to be Eve's history

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#8 - 2016-10-16 10:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Anyone with a clue knows that Cody and I are different people, if you have any information on me quitting then I'd very much like to hear it. I'm not trying to insult you, I just don't like people who don't have a clue shitting on my friends. Feel free to point out anything I've said that I was attempting to convey as a fact, that is provably not a fact.

Hell, I would love you to prove the Cody and I are one and the same, because then my NAV would more than double! Lol Tell you what, I'll give you 1T ISK if you can prove that we are the same person.

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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#9 - 2016-10-16 10:56:39 UTC
Better to close the thread now than before it gets worse.

Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2016-10-16 10:57:51 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
I'll give you 1T ISK if you can prove that we are the same person.


i'll be a 3rd party on that bet

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#11 - 2016-10-16 11:00:47 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
I'll give you 1T ISK if you can prove that we are the same person.


i'll be a 3rd party on that bet


You can continue to waste your time as usual.

Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#12 - 2016-10-16 11:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Zahara Cody
Big Lynx wrote:
well, I've done a lot of t2print flipping in the past. i still have some good old (rare) ones which I simply can't part from.

Now, observing Cody's T2print spam-fest (incl. stupid price-tags) in public contracts and selling 1 per half a year, optimistically spoken, I asked myself, what are my t2 prints really worth? I mean in producers' eyes. (Hulk 2x, Cerb, 3 x warriors, 2 x hobs and some ammo *****)


Just use your imagination like you did on your AT ship prices and your claim of how many guardian-vexors still exist. (Hint: It's way more than 5)

Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
Big Lynx
#13 - 2016-10-16 11:18:37 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:


Hell, I would love you to prove the Cody and I are one and the same, because then my NAV would more than double! Lol Tell you what, I'll give you 1T ISK if you can prove that we are the same person.


well, after giving this thread some time for maturing the proof showed itself automatically, plz send 1T to B4R... (maybe I am wrong, and Liz is not Cody or vice versa, however, it seems that the codian troll disease has become very acute in Liz. I can remember Liz has been a person with integrity and without prejudice, thinking of her style of writing and interacting amongst other things.)

i am outa here.

ps: maybe a respectable trader could pm me a useful point-of-view
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#14 - 2016-10-16 11:26:21 UTC
The only thing more questionable than this thread are your Chameleon piloting skills. You'd think you would be flying in the AT finals by now. Is it time to sell all of your characters like hemmo too? Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. o7 Cool

Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#15 - 2016-10-16 11:26:44 UTC
Please point out where I have acted without integrity, with prejudice, or when I've made up facts. I would like to fix these personality flaws of mine if they exist, if they don't then this is slanderous and I don't like it one bit.

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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2016-10-16 11:46:23 UTC
holy ****. this thread is so salty. where did Big L touch you cody? lol
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-10-16 12:47:30 UTC
I would be happy to take a T2 BPO as donation before they are worthless, I promise to not sell it immediately but use in production. LolP

I'm my own NPC alt.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#18 - 2016-10-16 13:00:43 UTC
Agata Matahari wrote:
holy ****. this thread is so salty. where did Big L touch you cody? lol


I think you've got that the wrong way round. seeing as it's Big Lynx who started this thread calling out Cody.

Also, I can :tinfoil: too Bear.

Exhibit A.

Agata Matahari wrote:
I am not sure if you know it already but t2bpo gonna be worthless with next big november patch.


Agata Matahari wrote:
T2bpo finally on the ground


Agata Matahari wrote:
seeing the current t2bpo sales spam in forums and ingame t2bpos finally have become collectors items. no profits to make anymore. yes or no??


Agata Matahari wrote:
What's this current t2bpo panic sales all over the place?


Here we see someone who seems to believe, and keeps repeating, that T2 BPOs are in a bad shape, in my opinion they are wrong.

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#19 - 2016-10-16 13:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Exhibit B.

Big Lynx wrote:
That would be 6 t2bpos flipped per month.... can't believe that without a proof and ive discussed this topic with many high stake traders.


Big Lynx wrote:
Welcome to T2BPO trading


Big Lynx wrote:
T2BPO Panic sales inc:Twisted:


Big Lynx wrote:
T2Print bubble finally burst?


Big Lynx wrote:
well, I've done a lot of t2print flipping in the past. i still have some good old (rare) ones which I simply can't part from.

Now, observing Cody's T2print spam-fest (incl. stupid price-tags) in public contracts and selling 1 per half a year, optimistically spoken, I asked myself, what are my t2 prints really worth? I mean in producers' eyes. (Hulk 2x, Cerb, 3 x warriors, 2 x hobs and some ammo *****)


Here we also have someone with some similar opinions and an interesting way to abbreviate the term "Tech 2 Blueprint Original".

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#20 - 2016-10-16 13:05:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Exhibit C.

Karen Humphrey wrote:
With the given ROI of T2 bpo's, t2 bpo's seem to have lost alot of value and with that, popularity.

So the question of today, is buying T2 bpo's, and relisting them for like, 150b still a viable business model these days?


industry alt 4 wrote:
From here : "Someone who has surpassed the levels of jerk and *******, however not yet reached ****** or ************. Not to be confuzed with douche."

...

Who's your favourite douchebag? I will start of with mine: Zahara Cody

ps: He seems to fly around jita with T2 bpo's aswell.
pss: Send me quotes for year long perm war dec's and lets have some fun Lol


Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
It is not what we do, but how we do certain type of things, that determin who we are.

You,... for instance; like to talk about yourselve and the things you do. It sais that you are egocentric orientated and are not very successfull with having many friends with not similar character properties. People who are not like that, probaly find those types of people assholes.

The pirates/griefers playing style make assholes feel good, so what more can i say: Not everyone, but most people are more likely to be assholes in that playingstyle?

Etherway: self reflection is the way to enlighment

Where is Zahara Cody? He could learn from this.


Finally we have another person (yes, I believe all three of the characters quoted in Exhibit C. are the same person due to typing style, general attitude, attempts at deception, contract and corporation similarities) who dislikes Zahara Cody enough to keep talking about and to him in very dismissive ways, and seems to think that the business of selling T2 BPOs is dead.

Other known alts include Hemmo Paskianen and Zexy Jeffries, both of those characters have EVE mailed Zahara some pretty nasty and completely baseless accusations and speculations about his real life, very similar to Mr LaboratoryRat's post I quoted.

Luckily I'm not as paranoid as this post makes me out to be. Also this is all so real ******* pathetic, it's just internet spacemoney.

Edit: Here's another coincidence.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=sais&postedby=hemmo+paskiainen
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=sais&postedby=mr+laboratoryrat
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=sais&postedby=agata+matahari

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