EVE General Discussion

Allowing people to accumulate gigantic festering mountains of ISK in a manner that cannot be interdicted within the game is an absolute anathema to the very concept of EVE as a sandbox.

Casinos, both the virtual and bricks & mortar, always have the odds stacked in their own favour. Fair enough, they're a business not a charity. The same is generally not true of bookmakers taking bets on sports events. It's quite possible for a bookie to go broke either by putting up insane odds or by simply not paying attention and taking more bets than they can pay out. I have some friends who are IRL bookies. Some race meets they're ahead. Some they're out of pocket. They are taking real risks with their own cash.

The only way to interrupt said rivers of third party casino ISK would be to commit actual real world computer crimes against these sites. Be it by extended DDoS attacks &/or a direct hack into the site, it requires the use of a lot of tools and skills that have little or nothing to do with EVE.

Compare that with the many, many in-game methods there are of generating ISK, all of which can be interrupted by other players:

You want to multibox a highsec Ice mining fleet? We can gank that.
You're off AFK ratting in deepest 0.0? We can find you and kill your ship. We have maps that show us what regions are actively being ratted.
You're in a wormhole running sites? All it takes is one person to spot you and they can call in the cavalry and blow up your ships.
You're an industrialist building super-capitals? That SCSAA can be seen on D-Scan and your towers reinforced.
Even station trading can be as ruthless. Market manipulations are not uncommon.

The Mittani makes a very valid point when he said that a game without an age barrier shouldn't be see to condone or facilitate underage gambling. Out here in The Real World, we wouldn't let a 14yo kid loose in a casino.

I'm not surprised that some players with the requisit skills and knowledge built casino sites. It was probably to be expected in a game as long running as EVE. I am a little surprised that CCP took so long to shut them down. Now it's done, huzzah!

Nothing of value was lost.

The reality, as Memphis Bass put it, is that everyone talks from a bias of the self. Even if they say they are unbiased it isnt actually true. Your own personal experiences and insights shape what you say, when you say it, who you say it to and everything about you. So no you cannot, imo, separate yourself from your past but instead move on beyond it and either using it as a sail or an anchor in the future. But to ask people not to take your own personal details into account when you say or do something is kind of silly and naive imo.

When I referred to your past issues, that was simply more out of genuine hope that you can find peace and healing with it. As any addiction is a bad monster to have on your back.

Have you stopped whining now?

No.

The Casino War/WWB, whatever you want to call it needed both ISK and people out there in the belts harvesting asteroids, ice, and running POS set ups, working their PI set ups and what not. Without this "real" activity no amount of ISK will allow one to accomplish what was done in that war.

It is like a computer, without a person there to program and use it, the computer is just a moderately heavy object. It is useless. ISK is also generally useless in and of itself. In fact, the very definition of a fiat currency is something that has no intrinsic value. ISK is only useful in the context of the New Eden economy and the actual items it can purchase.

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And regarding this:



Please explain how you can use ISK to get a VNI?

Yes, I know the obvious answer is buy it. But where did it come from? How did it get on the market to begin with? Answer, somebody had to go out in space and do stuff. ISK alone cannot result in a VNI or any other ship in the game. Somewhere somebody had to be doing something in game...undocked.

You claim of total irrelevancy of resources in space, etc. is quite simply not true at all. You have a fatal and obvious flaw in your theory.

Read the OP, but not many of the comments.

The description of EvE in the OP seems to be exactly as it was in 2008 when I started playing. Seems to be the same as it is now. It hasn't changed in the sense that a lot of the game occurs outside Tranquility. Most of it doesn't involve RMT.

The RMT bans were simply the removal of a cancerous growth...a dead-end on the evolutionary tree that was becoming a liability to support. Many other branches flourish. Their removal was not significant in the timeline of EvE. Events like this occur every few months. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth occurs. Things die down and the stories of "what happened that one time" become part of the lore.

This, too shall pass.

But it was just a blip.

KB

This is turbo-trolling beyond all sanity.

How much ISK did you have confiscated OP?

MeiJin - I'm open about the loss. It was only 120b in total I could not withdraw in time. Normally everytime I reach 100b+ in wallet, I withdraw everything leaving 20~30b to gamble more. So it's not percentage based. I won Rat Race once for 430b, withdrew 440b or so leaving 20b behind. I won it again at recently at 360b, withdrew everything leaving 30b or so. But when I won Fedo double (100b), I withdraw 70b, leaving 30b. I've always done it this way after 100b+ wins, some of the nice memorable wins were Caldari JP 4 times (360b, 130b, 200b or so x 2) and Nothing But Jackpot at 200b+, Wyvern BPO bundle double at 240b, etc.

I also openly said that my heaviest loss was after winning Pirates slots for 240b, which I did not withdraw and blew all on gambling in 48 hours of manic spree lol. It's after that I stuck to the above method to keep the ISK build up and turn them into more secure assets in game after big wins.

So my strategy was never percentage based, I felt that 20~30b was the optimal amount to gamble with and was always good enough buffer to run many many tabs of slots & do odd raffle here and there. Once I have over 40b in the IWI account I tend to spend too much on raffles, which was usually not a good thing.

This 120b in account was an abnormally because I got about 100b from the Infinite Pool after IWI was already banned. If the ban came after I won the pool I would've only lost 20b or so, which is the usual amount I keep in IWI account at all times, but oh well.


This is an example of how I did things, which I posted in another thread last month.

EDIT: If I were to give a RL example, losing IWI option, financially, would be like Apple not succeeding with Apple Watch. It's not nice and a big pity, but Apple will survive and move on. If Apple failed horribly in iPhone like Samsung did with Galaxy Note explosion fiasco, that would have really hurt. My in game operation hasn't been hit at all, so while I did suffer negative consequences, I can survive and move on.


For Memphis, yes, the factors are very complicated now especially with the alpha toons coming in with major industrial structures introductions, and you are correct that forum opinions represent only a tiny fraction of player base.

I hate what CCP has done, this I will not change in my mind, and I have explained plenty why I think CCP made a wrong move so I won't get into that again here. But I am not quitting EVE and I do not want CCP or EVE to 'fail' and die. So I'm in sort of in love & hate relationship with EVE now, whereas before it used to be all love heh.

Let's see how things turn out to be, and I feel sorry for everyone that lost and lost all the love for the game to the extent that they are leaving (or have already left) the game. It was very sickening how negatively CCP has ruined some player experiences, even for those who never broke EULA, and this I shall never forgive (not that it would matter to CCP that this one Toobo holds grudge).

Stop your useless projectile vomit posts/threads. None of them ever added anything of value regardless of the word count.