Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Of course flying with a reasonable load is part of that safety Red Frog achieves. That part is working as intended. There is significant risk associated with going above a certain threshold as it makes you a valuable target to pirates. Red Frog recognizes this, and along with a bunch of other things, uses it to be nearly perfectly safe operating in highsec.

The point is that you can, with moderate effort and being judicious, haul with near 100% safety in highsec. Freighters are not broken as some would have you believe. There are professionals who can and do move stuff around with near impunity in highsec and make a living at it. Yes, they do lose the odd (very odd - less than 1 in 500 contracts) freighter from time-to-time, but that is suppose to be how it works in this no-where-is-100%-safe game CCP has designed.

Now, clearly as you say if everyone always stuffed 10B ISK into every freighter, or freighters were made much weaker those safety numbers would completely change. Sure, so what? That is the balancing act CCP has made and where we are today. But no matter what numbers CCP gives to the various variables that determine safety, there are always going to be competent, conservative haulers who will only lose something if very unluckly, and reckless, lazy haulers who shove too much into their hauler and use autopilot to go play Xbox. If the numbers were such that either extreme wasn't possible, then something would be broken, but I don't see any evidence of that at all. Competent haulers can make themselves almost perfectly safe, while incompetent haulers are at risk and regularly suffer the consequences of their decisions.

Clearly we shouldn't give those lazy haulers a button to save their freighter when they glance over from their Xbox game and see that they are being bumped. I agree with you (and the OP) though that hauling could be more active and from just looking at the numbers of how rare it is to lose a sub-billion freighter, everyone should just use autopilot all the time (perhaps with a quick look at zkill first to see if either of the remaining two gank groups are operating then). I have floated various ideas in the past for alternative interdiction mechanics to aggress freighters that might provide for more escalation and make for more interesting fights (other than a 20s DPS race) and options for the defender to get assistance, but I won't bother rehashing these now. Let's all just agree that the OP's idea, at least in isolation, is not a very good one for her stated objective of making hauling a more active profession.

They are not bleeding members due to ganks, they are falling in line with the rest of EVEs numbers.

Other organisations to look at would be from the big null alliances. All of them run out of jita and in all of my years I have never lost an order. Equally my own freighter is now 7 years old and had no attempts made on it. Even comparing zkill to the number of freighters operating in highsec shows the number of freighters getting ganking is tiny.

Duplicate thread is duplicate.

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