EVE Information Portal

I'd like to get some clarification on what exactly is meant by a "third party" and specifically how this relates to groups like EOH Poker.

"You may not use, transfer or assign any game assets for games of chance operated by third parties"

From my understanding of this, a "game of chance" run in-game by a group of players, is perfectly acceptable, meaning gambling or betting per say has not been banned.

So in practice, if me and my group of friends wanted to bet or gamble on something, it's usually better to transfer the isk to another person to hold the "betting pool" in escrow to pay out to the winner, that could either be an individual player or a corp - let's assume it's a corp - I still don't think that would be classified as a "third party" as it's still within the game and is not a "third party" to CCP.

So I have my money held by the corp or trusted person, now our group wishes to play a game of chance. This is were it gets tricky. Let's use a basic example - we decide to bet on the number of players to warp through the Jita gate in 10 minutes. This is all completely within the game so I can't see why that would be banned.

Now our group decides that we want our game of chance to be poker, we decide that using a browser based poker game is the best option, we go onto the site and play our game, the winner is determined and the isk sent to the winner from the corp. Again, I do not see a "third party" in this situation, no isk was transferred out of game and no assets were created on another site. Simply that we used an out of game tool or service to play our "game of chance".

If none of this violates the rules, I cannot see why EOH Poker needs to shut down.

One area where they may fall foul of in the new rules is their "ring games". In this case, isk transferred to the corp gets converted into "chips" which players then can use to play poker against other players. These chips do have an in-game value and I understand banning that as in theory is possible for someone to make a RMT transfer to someone associated with EOH for the chips themselves to use on the site.

However, the majority of the games were tournaments, the difference being that the chips used in a tournament had no in-game value - they simply were "tournament chips" that when all used up decided if you won or lost that particular tournament, just like tournament chips in real life poker games having no value in the casino itself.

If you disagree and think of an out of game tool as a "third party" then what if we switched the example to a coin-flip, same setup, assets held in escrow by a corp awaiting outcome of the game of chance. In this case all I do is flip a coin in my house, decide the winner and pay out, surely it wouldn't be right to consider the coin the third party?

Before someone argues that the corp itself is the third party, well what if we ran the exact same setup, but did not make escrow transfers before the game started and simply individually transferred the money to the winner at the end. There would be no third party in this case.

Apologies for the wall of text but can't think of any easier way to explain what I mean. Cheers.

I see what you did there.

so question for the developers here. I have a support ticket, for 6 plex that i bought from amazon.com. they are an authorized retailer of plex. i redeemed those 6 plex onto one of my characters, that character sold those plex on the market for isk, transferred that isk to my main character.

When this change was implemented in game, my isk was seized for violation of EULA/TOS, but as i have shown customer support, there was no violation, i have provided receipts from amazon, shown the wallet transactions in game, and still been told there is nothing that can be done.

they have suggested that i post here and that the game developers could assist. so...i am posting here and asking the game developers to assist me with this issue.

find on a forum....
Here is a little fun fact if the math is right:



ISK banned from the latest CCP tweet of two pilots involved :



https://twitter.com/...800037326221314



GM X (RMT)> 19,506,787,657,474.00 ISK

GM Z (Botting)> 10,031,843,994,887.00 ISK



ISK converted into PLEX:



25,685.77 PLEX (JITA average as of this post of 1.15 bill ISK)



PLEX converted to USD if you use the largest bulk buy of 28 from the EvE Online website: ($17.495 per PLEX)



$449,372.55 TOTAL



Someone just might be jumping out of a window over this.......

....

:p

Well I hope the almighty CCP ban hammer came down as hard on the Botters as it did on IWI. I had isk on 3 accounts then slam I can not get it from the site. But I bet if I go to some of the ganker hot spots like Udema I find 8-10 toons with names that are VERY close to the same. Indicating 1 person is running all of them.

This is a **** take for all those players that played iwi legit and now have lost all that isk might I add that it is also not legal what u have done alot of people will have bought plex abd played on iwi and u just removed that from them without notic I dont no where u are from but that is illegal in the uk all removal of items that have been paid for must be given notice and refunded back to the person who bought the item unless your game is stated as beta and that all items are subject to removal eve isnt a beta game and has no such thing stated in the eula so give player who didnt do jack all wrong there isk back

Anything in game you DO NOT own them. You agreed to this once you accepted the EULA. So, you are just...wrong.

1. No they don't.
2. Any isk given to a now banned banker was not 'the players' anymore but belonged to the banned person.
3. Any isk removed from a non banned person was proceeds from RMT, and therefore also an EULA breach, and they should be very glad they didn't get banned also.

I mean unless you paid irl money to gamble on iwi, in which case, lol.