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No, your risk aversion is the main reason you don't leave highsec. Btw, nice monocle.

Your risk aversion is the main reason you're in a 5000 strong nbsi alliance.

Perhaps they are used by people who've had Goon gank squads sent after them for daring to disagree with the high and mighty Goons on the forums.

But you are the one who is quite wrong. Your logic is fail. 1+1 =2 regardless of whether I "stand behind it" on my main or quote it with an alt. That statement is correct no matter how many people call the person making it dumb. This applies to more complex arguments as well, such as the one at hand.

I count 2 "*****" and 1 "dumb" in the above. At this rate you are well on your way to cementing your reputation as a terrible poster. You will do better by acknowledging a good argument, and offering a better counter argument, instead of cursing and insulting other posters.

You could try to offer a counterargument to mine by explaining exactly why a correct statement becomes invalid depending on who makes it. But you cannot do this. Because you are wrong. And you know it.

I mean, really, by your alliance tag I can tell that you are a) primarily based out of nullsec, b) understand the logistics involved in living in nullsec and c) have to deal with jump clones. If you were posting with an NPC corp alt, those observations would not be immediately obvious and I'd assume you're just part of the crowd of aspies who truly and honestly believe that nullsec is a land of honey with zero risk, where people mine ABC (lol) in cynojammed systems with 300km of bubbles on every inbound gate.

Your observations about me are correct. I live and fight in null. This is a fact.

The observation that the removal of learning implants would eliminate most of the cost of dying for low sp null secers who fly without hardwiring is also correct. All that remains is the cost to upgrade the clone. This is also a fact.

Adding slot 1-5 hardwiring implants to the game would not contribute to the cost of dying for pilots who aren't going to use them. Look up mathematical proof of 0+0=0. This is also a fact.

It doesn't matter who makes the above statements. They are not opinions and so whether I or some nameless faceless forum alt makes them they are still correct statements.

The matter of opinion here is whether or not removal of learning implants is good for the game. I agree it's good for low sp t1-fit pvpers who fly without hardwiring. It's not inherently bad for pilots who use a lot of hardwiring. I'm not convinced it is good for the game, because it does remove most of the of risk/reward for losing/keeping a pod. I have yet to hear a good argument that this will result in many more players for Eve or significantly more pvp. The way Time Dilation is working in its current implementation I can predict a lot less fleet pvp in null, but that's another issue.

Will Eve really have a lot more PVP if learning implants are removed? I doubt it. If you map a training plan correctly you make 2610 sp/hour with 2 +4 implants (vs 2700 sp/hour-only 3.33% faster with 2 +5s). Most t2 fit battlecruisers cost more than 2 +4s, and a t2 fit bc really is a baseline for what is needed for competent nullsec pvp. So if a 40 million isk implant loss scares people from pvping in null, it should. They obviously can't afford it.

Pvping cheaply in lowsec and highsec and learning how to save your pod with the warpoff trick as you hit structure eliminates 90% of pod losses. People who cannot manage simple stuff like that are not going to succeed in epic fleet pvp just because the cost of losing implants has been removed. They will just welp and die and lose as much or more isk pvp'ing that way.

Mastery of game mechanics is what makes Eve cheap. If I can grind 200 mill isk/hour I'm not going to sweat a 100 mill clone loss. I will make that during a quick downtime between ops or roams. Someone who has trouble making 20 mill/hour is going to be hurt more by implant loss and they should.

this is so far from a threadnaught

Where's that dislike button...

To be honest, I understand learning skills being removed. They took a fair amount of time to train and did discourage new players. The implants however do not have that same effect on new players. Your argument is for experienced, older players. These players know that going into a wormhole, or nullsec, is a risk. Its the risk vs reward deal that Eve stands for. By removing implants you're just removing part of that risk without removing part of that reward.

Your proposal is stupid. Present a balanced argument instead of demanding the game be made the way you want it.

Oh come on don't pretend to be that thick-headed. The reward is implants which allow a higher rate of skill training. The risk is losing them in a pod death. Don't make me go back to the 1+1=2 and 0+0=0 stuff....

Changed stance to supported.

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