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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2016-10-11 07:36:43 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Nero Jove wrote:
All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.

Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets.

I'm not sure suicide ganking was intended to be profitable at any point of time. And if you make ISK other way then you have no 'practically ungankable' stuff.

It is even more possible in this case when people competing for resources. Then expence for ganking can be looked at as investment.


CCP changed the nature of the game. Used to be you were safe from ganking if you fitted a token tank that made you unprofitable to gank (unless something like hulkageddon or an ice interdiction was happening but those were rare). Now everything aside from a skiff is a target and ganked because gankers simple target everything no matter the fit.
Anthar Thebess
#42 - 2016-10-11 09:28:48 UTC
Problem is that CCP tries to do EVE dumb prof to get more players, and yet biggest online was before this changes where made.
With the old mechanics griefing was never huge issue, as you could counter play it quite easily.

Ganking recently became some issue to players also because of the changes CCP introduced over the time.
Constant buff to possible targets made some people to quit, but most of them to organize into bigger groups and train additional gank characters.
50 people working separately cannot do as much chaos like 50 people working together.
Big gank groups allow fast responses, choke point monitoring but also require higher activity so every one get daily kills.



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Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#43 - 2016-10-11 10:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
Nero Jove wrote:
Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.


Cloak up and check if he uses bots. If he isn't everything else is fair game per EVE standards. Having the numbers/power/dedication to drive others from your turf is what EVE is mostly about anyway. If you are scard of 10 miners/mining accounts and one bumper you should do something about that.
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#44 - 2016-10-11 11:33:30 UTC
Yossarian Toralen wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Surely you can gank the bumping ship, yes?


No, Concord protects bumpers and that's why I can't understand the butthurt when they say stuff like
"Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets."

Bumpers are only in highsec for a reason, Concord protection.


False. Concord punishes the gankers afterwards. They do not prevent ganks or protect the bumper.

What is he using to bump? Most belt bumping I've seen has been with, at best, a speed fit faction cruiser. It doesn't take many destroyers to gank one of those.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2016-10-11 12:17:15 UTC
Wardec or keep bumping

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Yossarian Toralen
M and M Enterpises
#46 - 2016-10-12 03:03:56 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Yossarian Toralen wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Surely you can gank the bumping ship, yes?


No, Concord protects bumpers and that's why I can't understand the butthurt when they say stuff like
"Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets."

Bumpers are only in highsec for a reason, Concord protection.


False. Concord punishes the gankers afterwards. They do not prevent ganks or protect the bumper.

What is he using to bump? Most belt bumping I've seen has been with, at best, a speed fit faction cruiser. It doesn't take many destroyers to gank one of those.


You can mine all day in low and null and never see someone annoying a miner by bumper them, shooting yes, but never bumping.

You can bump all day in highsec all under the protection of Concord, anything that could catch and keep a point on it would be a wreck before bump ship is.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2016-10-12 04:55:17 UTC
Yup. When living in regulated space, expect the rules to sometimes favour the other guy.

(although it's still my opinion bumping is a bad mechanic, bumping and ganking are unfortunately also the ONLY mechanics with which you can interact with NPC duders .....)

As I'm sure others already advised: if you're not a spacelawyer, there is nothing worthwhile in highsec. Get out of there, quickly!

Cheers,


Cool-El Brokkmeister
Penance Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2016-10-12 05:41:59 UTC
  1. Switch to an Endurance and orbit.
  2. Hire some Mercs
  3. Move Systems
  4. get some friends and bump


The fleet would have a Off-Grd Booster. In a month it will have be on-grid and vulnerable.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#49 - 2016-10-12 13:16:11 UTC
Yossarian Toralen wrote:
You can bump all day in highsec all under the protection of Concord
Concord aren't there to protect people, they're there to punish them for breaking the only law in hisec, which is that you don't activate an offensive module on another capsuleer without sanction.

Also this
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Rhalina Sedai
Doomheim
#50 - 2016-10-12 13:28:17 UTC
Nero Jove wrote:
Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.



Here is a couple of suggestions, log in every day with a fast ship and start bumping his mining fleet. Also give his mining toons a 315 315 bounty. Drop corp so you can't be decked as well. If your really twisted you could also send a covert message to the so called New Order telling them there is a juicy mining fleet ready for the picking.

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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#51 - 2016-10-12 13:33:01 UTC
Yossarian Toralen wrote:

You can mine all day in low and null and never see someone annoying a miner by bumper them, shooting yes, but never bumping.

You can bump all day in highsec all under the protection of Concord, anything that could catch and keep a point on it would be a wreck before bump ship is.


No point in bumping a miner in low sec. The only reason you're being bumped in high sec is because he doesn't have enough DPS to solo gank you before Concord arrives.

You don't have to be able to catch him. Fleet with bumped ship. Warp to zero on the bumped ship. Gank bumper.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2016-10-12 17:23:17 UTC
Nero Jove wrote:
Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.


Get some buddies and shoot him in the face.

War dec him, and shoot him in the face some more.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2016-10-12 17:30:48 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Nero Jove wrote:
All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.

errm, guns work pretty well.
whats he fly?
how does he fit (you know you can scan his fit right)

do you know who his main is? if you do id definitly shoot thatBlink


Devils abdicate here, Suppose he's in an NPC corp so there's no legal way to wardec him, and thus any attempts to shoot him yield the loss of sec status and ship?

NPC corps are the best way to grief bump others continuously, as we are seeing. The game mechanics do not allow for revenge without taking huge penalties over time.


Wait wut?!?!?!?!

Isn't the narrative that there are no penalties to ganking!?!?!?!?

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Commander Spurty
#54 - 2016-10-12 19:20:56 UTC
I've got 8 points of sec status I can waste on wasting him if that's helpful.

Obviously I don't care a whole ton about the repercussions. I live in null. Would be a special trip for a special soldier

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pajedas
Doomheim
#55 - 2016-10-13 04:16:48 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
have you tried ... you know ... doing something about it,
like shooting him in the mouth?

WTF does that even mean Ralph?

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2016-10-13 04:26:04 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
have you tried ... you know ... doing something about it,
like shooting him in the mouth?

WTF does that even mean Ralph?


You get in a ship, fly up to his bumping ship and shoot him....the "in the mouth" is just colorful language.

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ISD Fractal
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ISD Alliance
#57 - 2016-10-13 13:16:55 UTC
I removed a post that did not contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way.

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#58 - 2016-10-13 17:20:48 UTC
I feel like the conversation should probably have a bit more information added to it in order to come to a rational suggestion.

-How many accounts are you running for your mining operation/how many others are there (approx)
-Do you make enough to be able to afford a suicide ganking squad?
-Do you make enough to replace ships if/when they are suicide ganked?

Reason I mention this is to establish what the loss value is. It would come down to this: IF they are suicide ganking you, and its not a 'CODE' group or some group of that establishment, then is he killing enough to make it unprofitable to mine out there?

If it is becoming too much of a problem, then I would suggest taking CODE up on their offer. They might be willing to camp him out for a high price. Just make sure you can financially back it up.

Hope this helps.
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#59 - 2016-10-13 17:31:27 UTC
The OP is a known rebel miner who sometimes whore's on to CONCORD kills as Code enforcement is taking place in the system he prefers, Kino. He's a highsec alt of an organization that supports their worm hole activities by AFK mining in highsec for ice. Usually in a fleet of skiffs.

His definition of griefing is someone interfering with the flow of ice into his ships. He has, rudely in my opinion, declined to buy a mining permit and does not follow the Code requirement of keeping local clear of profanities. As is usual in situations like this he wants CCP to save him from interaction with other players.

As best I can tell he and his counterparts have been driven from Kino by the bumper.

AND I deny that Kino has ever been a peaceful system...

Highsec is worth fighting for.

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Naimh
#60 - 2016-10-13 17:39:16 UTC
ISD Fractal wrote:
I removed a post that did not contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way.

Careful now, follow that thread too far and you may as well just set the place ablaze.

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