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Making example by punishing the innocent? You think that's good management?

Ex-post facto punishments with rule changes--e.g., punishing IWI gamblers and dealers--isn't cool, ever; it's immoral (read: dickish) and creates an unstable economy.

Guess I'm taking another extended break from the game, though I don't foresee any big events on the horizon to draw me back in.

You are the clueless one here. NOT ALL bankers are banned, and that means they have not RMTed. But yet hey had their wallet turned to 0 ISK. If the ISK they earned from banking with IWI is considered as RMT fund, then I can understand the banking profits off IWI could be in consideration for confiscation. But beside banking, bankers put in their personal ISK, which they earned through legit in game means, to bank with. This ISK is not earned from IWI, it's personal fund that bankers used to bank with, much like many playeres gambled with ISK they made through non EULA breaking in game means.

What happened is that, these bankers all had their ISK turned into zero. Also, bankers' alts, such as ratting toon or whatever, if they had wallet transaction history with the banking toon, got their wallet ISK turned to zero.

If they have RMTed, sure their accounts should be banned. But their accounts are alive, and even toons that were not involved with IWI got their ISK confiscated, ISK they made through ratting or incursion or WH or whatever.

I applied to be a banker two months ago, but I didn't get accepted. But according to how CCP has done it now, if I joined IWI as a banker back then, then ALL my ISK and assets I accumulated through nearly a decade of hame playing eve before IWI existed would have been confiscated, for having mere association with IWI for two months and never having done RMT myself.

There are people who became banker a few days ago, and they had all their ISK removed.

CCP is not even considering such cases, and automatically close support tickets and petitions from these guys without even lookiing into their case.

Now tell me, you seriously think all of the above is good job done from CCP?

I don't care what you do to RMTers (assuming you didn't pulled RMT excuse out of your sleeve just to have a reason to retroactively ban gamblers before EULA changes become effective), but you also hurt a lot of innocent players who had their ISK held by such sites and that's not cool.

Maybe you should go back and actually read what happened. They aren't being punished because of changes to the rules. They're being punished for breaking rules that were already in place.

Stupidity isn't cool either. You should try and avoid it in the future.

Is that what happened? To me it looks more like they're changing the rules and stopping gambling that way. It's not about the RMT-people, it's about the other parties that also did gambling, like eve-bet for example. They didn't break any rules that were already in place (at least not to my knowledge and apparently also not to CCP's knowledge). But they will break the rules if they continue doing what they do and THAT is why they're shut down.

Yes, IWI was punished for RMT and that's okay. But I don't see why all the other 'legal' gambling services are also shut down.

On a related but different topic: Will CCP host the alliance tournament stream on all weekends again next year, like they did in the past?

Is that what happened? To me it looks more like they're changing the rules and stopping gambling that way. It's not about the RMT-people, it's about the other parties that also did gambling, like eve-bet for example. They didn't break any rules that were already in place (at least not to my knowledge and apparently also not to CCP's knowledge). But they will break the rules if they continue doing what they do and THAT is why they're shut down.

Players supported someone with their ISK.
This someone did RMT using ISK he got from players in question.

Someone gets banned for RMT.
Are players free from accusing in RMT being supporters of someone in question?

I think it's easy: you (indirectly) supported RMT -> you got punished for it.

And please do not play card 'i was unaware of RMT'. People creating external resource and paying real money for maintenance of some system to be used only ingame? LoL....

Game == Gambling - The whole game is gambling, with every journey through New Eden.
Do you come back with more Ore? Will that gank give you a shiny killmail? Will that mission drop enough loot? And so on. And of course you can increase your chances by fitting your ship better. Or pay a third party 10M ISK for example, so they gank you less likely. But that's all gambling too and involves third parties, more or less.

Well maybe it's because of some laws in the UK and US. I don't live there so I don't care. What if the Iran prohibites games with spaceships next year? Will you seize all ships ingame and ban all who used them?

This issue deserves to be handled with more care and sensitivity.