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Lachesis Ewar Fit.....bit of help would be swell

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Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-10-11 13:35:14 UTC
I've been playing for about 11 months but would like some advice/direction on this fit for my newly aquired Lachesis (skills are level 4 for recon ships and medium rail specialization).

If anyone who knows this ship has time to give some input on it, I would be very glad to learn more about it as I hardly ever see one. All the fits I've looked up on the net have been either solo roam shield tanks or fits from years ago when it had lots of missile bays possible.....which is not the case now. I want an ewar problem ship for the enemy. I have a second one for shield tank solo roam...just want to know about the ewar one if anyone out there knows their stuff in this department.

I am constrained a bit by my skills but they are OK-ish borderline acceptable and I really like ewar ships as in to use in a gang, fleet or 1 on 1 as they can be very annoying for the enemy (although from my observations many people don't 1 on 1 with ewar ships unless they are very good).

What I thought I'd do with this ship is to scram the enemy at 15km (scram has 16km range), obit him/her whilst sensor damp, tracking & range distruption plus ECM to break lock so that when it does then it will take ages for them to re-aquire and they might not be in range anyway, and if they are then hitting me is an issue...............all this whilst picking them apart with rails and drones. If anyone gets too close then can use Javelin rounds and Warriors.

This fit has my best chance (as of time of post) of making them dead in the water (so to speak) but there is still plenty that can go wrong and much I need to learn.......just best bet for now. Would love to know if i'm kidding myself or not...haha.

So, is this fit acceptable or is it way off? If so, OK...if not then can you make suggestions, please?

I'm very interested to learn from the wealth of info on the forum...thanks in advance.

High slots:

4 X 200mm Rail Gun II - Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge

Medium slots:

1 X Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
1X Warp Scramber II
2 X Phased Muon Scoped Sensor Dampener (Scan Resolution Dampenong Script)
1 X Multispectral ECM II
1 X Tracking Disruptor II (Optimal Range Disruption Script)
1 X Tracking Disruptor II (Tracking Speed Disruption Script)

Low Slots:

1 X Damage Control II
1 X Energized Adaptive Nano Membrame II
1 X Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1 X 800mm Steel Plates II

Rigs:

1 X Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor II
1 X Medium Anti-Explosive pump II

Drones:

5 X 'Intergrated' Hobgoblins
5 X Warrior II

Ammo:

A mix of Javelin, Navy Antimatter and Lead rounds (incase there is a cap problem which seems likely in this ship)


Cheers
Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-10-11 14:50:50 UTC
I guess the fit is OK then....no news in good news on the forum. If there was something really wong with the fit then I guess there would be 5 replies by now.

Many thanks folks....o7
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-10-11 15:39:54 UTC
Hendrix Foster wrote:
I guess the fit is OK then....no news in good news on the forum. If there was something really wong with the fit then I guess there would be 5 replies by now.

Many thanks folks....o7

These forums aren't...4chan? Or whatever it is that's really hot these days. For the timeframe you posted, most people are either asleep or at work. And this particular sub-forum is much slower than others like General Discussion. Heck, even the Dev information portal isn't as active these days.

Give it a few days before shrugging. And never assume "no news is good news". Apathy from forum posters is not the same as your fit being okay. If it were, you'd see people posing, "Wow, I never thought to fit that before. Interesting fit, I'll have to try it sometime".

I would never fit a recon cruiser like that, but that's just me and I'm not an expert. Wait for an expert to chime in; give them a few days to find your thread first.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#4 - 2016-10-11 15:47:45 UTC
It feels like you are trying to make the ship into something it is not.

What recons are: support ships - they are arguably the most specialized ships (as a class) in the game. Each in their own flavor are great force multipliers and are usually high on a competent FCs list for removal (small to mid size gang - in large alpha fleet fights they are less of a factor).

What recons are not: solo pwnmobiles - in general they lack something in a big way to be a healthy solo ship. Be it meager dps, poor cap stability or a crappy tank - they all lack something.

Don't get me wrong, with prudent target selection they all have the ability to do solo work (one can argue the curse is pretty good at it). Be warned, recons are juicy fruit ripe for the picking when caught alone by all but the right target.

Lachesis in specific - low damage output and thin cap issues. Run your prop mod for any length of time and you're done. Try to run a local rep - forget it. You're left with a buffer tank and low dps and the clock is running as you nibble away at your victim.

On the other hand:

Throw on a fat armor buffer.
Split your mids between damps and faction long points.
Warp into the fight a few seconds late at 40km.
Wreak havoc on the enemy gang.
Be loved and adored by your fleet buddies.

The lachesis also excels in WH space (Dscan immunity) when fit for quick lock and max points. It's great for landing first on unsuspecting ratters and holding them down for a few moments until your pals (that show up on dscan) arrive.

Your offered fit is susceptible to all drone boats (VNI is flown by most non carrier ratters atm) and anything with an AB (it will either escape under your meager DPS or run you cap dry in no time as you try to keep up with it). Your idea with multi spec ECM AND damps AND tracking disruption is just bad, but needs more of a discussion than a few forum lines to get you straight on the matter. For starters though, I would drop the ECM and fit a faction web (where web range is roughly equivalent to your scram range) to mitigate any ship running an AB.

If you want more discussion, convo me when I'm in game later tonight - say 0000 eve time. I've got some really great guys that can talk fitting theory, EFT and fitting reality (3 completely different things).

Good luck, but don't try to do too much with any one ship. You will end up sad!
Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-10-12 00:12:02 UTC
Thanks to both of you for the comments, guess my time zone is the quieter end of the spectrum.

Useful post for me there Serendipity Lost...cheers. I guess you could be right about asking too much of this ship solo. Maybe I should just leave it for gangs / fleet when ask for such a ship in the future. Back to the drawing board then haha. Also, thanks for the offer but that time on the 24 hour clock is sleep time for me....another time maybe.

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#6 - 2016-10-12 00:19:07 UTC
EWAR For Newbies

Lachesis is a hard tackle boat first and damp support second.

Don't waste midslots on ECM or TDs.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-10-12 12:29:10 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
EWAR For Newbies

Lachesis is a hard tackle boat first and damp support second.

Don't waste midslots on ECM or TDs.



Cheers man...useful answer, even if brief and nice link. OK, I'll ditch the TD and ECM and fit accordingly. That's what I needed to know. I infere then that this ship is supposed to appear from nowhere and tackle from distance plus hold them down till the cavalry arrives....nice. Cleared up much there....o7

Sometimes hard to find answers on the net as the stuff it throws up is ancient often. Never know when you'll learn something in Eve haha.

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#8 - 2016-10-13 00:34:23 UTC
Hendrix Foster wrote:
infere then that this ship is supposed to appear from nowhere and tackle from distance plus hold them down till the cavalry arrives....nice. Cleared up much there....o7


pretty much, yeah.

Take note that 3x Range Damps *should* knock most cruisers target lock range down to under your Scram range and certainly under your long point range. This is how a Keres can tackle and hold down an Orthrus.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#9 - 2016-10-13 00:55:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Persephone Alleile
Here's a basic T2 fit, you can downgrade as necessary:

[Lachesis]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Damage Control II

50MN Microwarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Warp Disruptor II
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Dual 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


Hammerhead II x5


Overheat your scrambler and you should be able to scram from 20km depending on your recon cruisers skill. Upgrading the warp scrambler and warp disrupter is a good idea if you can afford it, true sansha warp scrambler can reach out to 27k overheated and has 3 points of warp disruption and a republic fleet warp disruptor can reach out as far as 72k. Don't leave your MWD running or it will ruin your cap, just pulse it to maintain range. If you are worried about cap (which is a problem) you can switch out the sensor booster for a cap booster, but if you keep an eye on things and use only as many damps as you need (something that takes practice) the sensor booster is more useful.

Alternatively you can switch out the damps for more sensorboosters and points if you want to have a fast tackle ship that can hold down multiple targets.
Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-10-13 02:39:36 UTC
Cheers for that fit Persephone Alleile....cool.

Looks like I also have to improve amour tank and change the rails also.

I see what you mean about those faction/storyline scram and disruptors, not cheap.....but great range.

Thanks for that fit. Hopefully should just about be able to sqeeze it all in.