Crime & Punishment

There I go again...

My former losec alliance friends who, like me, are using an alt (not this one silly) the alliance does not know about to run incursions in Hisec. We have to make some ISK somehow! The alliances are the only ones making ISK off the moongoo monopolies - quite unlike the Hisec incursion runners who eschew incursion based corps because they would be huge war dec magnets - so the incursions cash in hisec go into player accounts instead of alliance accounts.

Bet that won't be on Darius' re-election platform. Oh, if you only knew how close you were to being deposed... but don't give up hope! Not everyone is going to quit your alliance....

Didn't want those incursions anyways.

I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced.

I dont think that's an unfair request, but is being a pirate and attacking defenseless transports and helpless miners really that risky? I dont think it is. I havnt once been killed by a griefer that I posed any conceivable threat too. In fact, every time I've ever lost a ship it's been to someone far more skilled, equipped, and powerful then myself. What risk?!?!?!?!

LMAO! Risk vs. Reward - what about those gate gankers killing 20-30 mission runners in a row and looting their T2 ships - muhaaaaa - very risky.

If you want balance do something about that. Everyone can farm Incursions - so where is the balancing issue?

Instead of talking about balancing - name it what you want: Force other players to play the way YOU want - that's it.

smells like a gonns thing posted with a high sec alt
Do you have problems with loosing willing slaves ?

I'm a highsec miner, this is my only character. I'm not cowardly enough to use an alt to voice my opinions, sorry. I stand by what I say instead of hiding from it. To be entirely honest, I've heard of goonswarm, but I really have no idea what your referring to by 'willing slaves."




You just proved my point, a PVP vs a PVP. You will NEVER, EVER, EVER see an incompetant PVP'er getting ganked by a Miner or Trader though. That is the point I'm making. Yet, you PVP'ers, think it's your responsibitlity somehow to mess with us miners and traders. Again, risk to isk ratio, way off. I have a chance to make more, but I also have a chance to lose my enormous teir 2 cargo ship. Thier is however no chance my cargo ship is going to take out your Navy Issue Raven. I'll be lucky if I can get away with my pod from that thing.


Their is one point I argue, yes, a competant bear can EASILY get ganked by a better equipped and skilled, yet incompetant PVP'er, simply for lack of ability to defend themselves. That doesnt seem to stop griefers from griefing though. In fact, they seem to get some sort of rush out of killing someone weaker then they. I personally cant imagine what kind of horrible, corrupted, deeply troubled person enjoys torturing helpless, weaker critters that we're no threat to them. But then, I've never had a desire to hurt others. I guess that might just be me and the other carebears though.

So again I ask, what risk?

This thread just seems like a "The herd found a place to hide" crybaby thread for griefers. Omg, their doing incursion to make they're money instead of flying into my nullsec area where I can jump them with a ship 10 times their size with 500 times the armament, not even mentioning skill bonuses. Wah!

I guess something like this could always happen.

what happened 2 mins later....

The can flipper came back with his can-flipping friends and puffed the hulk - muhhaaaa - risk risk!

My my my, now what do we have here? I think I saw the word my used a bit too much there, mister Darius. Even from an alliance leader, using 'my' in reference to the alliance you lead is poor form. Even if the alliance is 'materially' yours, you are not what makes the alliance. The alliance is made up of the people within it. No members = no alliance. It makes you look the part of the dictator.... rather selfish, don't you think?

Then there's that vigilante attitude.... tsk tsk mister CSM... not looking pretty I don't think. You, who were so graciously permitted the luxury of being the player's voice to CCP concerning EvE matters, don't need CCP? It's like a mayor of a town saying he doesn't need the government....What does he plan on doing?...Tsk tsk....

Though I suppose I should move onto my point, yes? Your math, Dear Mister CSM, is atrocious. Five fleets won't be making 100 mill an hour in one incursion. It just won't happen. Why? Well that is rather simple. Each incursion constellation has only three vanguard incursion systems, with the rare exception of a few which have four. Some actually have two. Yes I have seen them. Now, while each system does have six to seven sites (optimally, when not being farmed) in them, there still won't be enough for five fleets to make one hundred million isk an hour each, especially when competing. In order to manage that, each fleet would have to be set up to fill a certain role to kill a specific site. And while BTL does excel at doing OTAs, and TDF completes NCOs at blinding speeds, this still would not be enough. When you have five fleets bouncing around, it is inevitable that there will be contesting. To put it in simple terms for you people who don't understand: One fleet will not get paid for each site contested. So while your theories work out nice on pen and paper mister CSM, I'm afraid I am going to have to inform you of your fatal flaw. This is reality, not the land of perfect. There's no denying incursions generate a lot of isk, however, if you're going to spout numbers, spout realistic ones.

This thread has generated quite a few chuckles from me on both ends. But I feel I must echo the sentiments of a few others here. I find this entire drive for tears to be entirely bemusing. Interestingly enough, the largest source of them are not from the would be grieved incursioners, but rather the gankers themselves, specifically one of their biggest supporters. Thank you mister Darius. You have made a bigger fool out of yourself then I could have done. In your own words, you have undeniably admitted your own butthurt over being banned by COMMUNITY driven incursion channels. You're doing this, by your own words, because they banned 'your' alliance for the actions of one of it's members. Do you know what that sounds like to me? Complaining. Threatening their 'way of life'? Might want to get your jar ready Mister Darius, looks like your own tears might fill them up.

And on another point, aren't you yourself proving your own words incorrect? The entire sentiment of this thread was that there was way too much isk being made by abusing a mechanic with no risk involved. Well, the fact that you CAN gank them proves you wrong. And more to the point, you can cost them large amounts of isk doing it. The fact of the matter is they farm isk by bringing ships. The shinier the ship, the easier they can do it right? That goes both ways. The shinier the ship, the more it costs them when it gets destroyed. So do the math. Destroy their shiny ships and cost them isk. Do it enough, and set them back into t1 battleships. Keep doing it, and drive them off.

"But that's impossible" .... Incorrect. It IS possible. However, the problem lies in the mentality of you and your fellow cohorts. You lack the drive to see your desires reach fruition. So you pick the easiest method possible and create some elaborate excuse for it. If you want to stop these incursions, it's going to take an extended campaign. You should well know Darius that the Delve wars did not last a week. The Siege of PR lasted a whole month ITSELF! and that was hardly the entire war! If you want something done, you have to work for it!

Finally, I'll have to echo a few more sentiments from the sane people of this thread. Either do it, or don't. The theatrics aren't fooling anyone. You'll either succeed in reducing the income generated by incursions in high sec, or you'll go down in history as someone who tried. However, keeping with these theatrics will have you written as the crybaby who fell on his face. Or, if for some reason you're successful with your little charade, You'll be viewed as the one who whined until he got his way.

Is that really how you want yourself to be viewed?

So enough with the Tears crap, and either get on with the show, or get off your little soap box, because if all you're going to do about it is whine, you'll get a little flair of attention for a few weeks, but then you'll be forgotten about. Actually pulling it off will get you remembered for years.

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